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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    GRRRRRR.....you're so close. But your stubbornness just won't let you embrace reason.


    Law enforcement, but only if they have probably cause to investigate a crime. There are people who are professional investigators, bound by oath, with skin in the game, to objectively serve justice.

    That was not Steele's job. Steele's job was to dig up dirt on Trump. That is precisely what he was hired to do. Asking how you find an objective source for that is pure stupidity. As if it was ever possible that Steele would report back to Clinton that Trump was "clean as a whistle".
    Regardless of the motives of those who hired him, if the evidence is damning, it's damning. Unless you can prove he fabricated the evidence, then it doesn't matter if the evidence came from Steele, Fox News, or Trump's mother-in-law. It's still evidence.



    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    The bias becomes extremely relevant if you found out that before he started his shift, the cop was offered money to impugn a black person
    What if the report of a black man with a smoking gun is corroborated by others? Do you automatically assume they're all in on the conspiracy?



    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Fine. Let a judge hear both sides. Let a neutral arbiter of the law weigh the facts and make a decision. But the Steele dossier was used to secure a surveillance warrant on Carter Page WITHOUT the court knowing of its financial and political bias.
    So says Nunes. Why is he suddenly the arbiter of truth? The same guy who ran to WH in the middle of the night to report to DJT about the investigation of him. Doesn't seem like an objective person to me.

    Just curious - did you read the dems reply to the Nunes memo?
  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Regardless of the motives of those who hired him, if the evidence is damning, it's damning. Unless you can prove he fabricated the evidence, then it doesn't matter if the evidence came from Steele, Fox News, or Trump's mother-in-law. It's still evidence.
    What would you consider "proof of fabrication"? It is known that a lot of the information was fed to him by known Clinton associates like Sydney Blumenthal. That's like me doing a background check on a potential employee by asking his mother if he's a "good boy".

    Other parts of the dossier are so fantastical that they could only be fabricated. For example, Page getting 4 times Trump's net worth in exchange for setting up a meeting.

    Also, the FBI used all of the resources at its disposal and was not able to verify any information in the dossier. Comey described it as "salacious and unverified" AFTER he had already used it as evidence in a surveillance warrant. [ sounds like a fireable offense ]

    What if the report of a black man with a smoking gun is corroborated by others? Do you automatically assume they're all in on the conspiracy?
    Nothing in the steel dossier is corroborated. The FBI director described it as "salacious and unverified"

    So says Nunes. Why is he suddenly the arbiter of truth? The same guy who ran to WH in the middle of the night to report to DJT about the investigation of him. Doesn't seem like an objective person to me.
    It was announced this week that the DOJ has found Nunes credible enough to launch an investigation into this. There are widespread and growing calls for transcripts to be released. Eventually they will be. And we'll see what the court actually knew.

    Just curious - did you read the dems reply to the Nunes memo?
    Yes. It says "we had more of a reason to investigate Page beyond the dossier". Except it doesn't say what that is. It also says that they believe that the warrant would have been issued even without the dossier. However, the provide no other evidence that would have resulted in the warrant being issued. Furthermore, Deputy FBI Director is on record saying that there is no way they would have gotten a warrant for Page without the Steele dossier.
    Last edited by BananaStand; 03-05-2018 at 06:58 PM.
  3. #3
    Next you'll be saying Laura Kussenberg is a reliable source of info for British politics. Or Louise Mensch is sane.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    ongies gonna ong
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Next you'll be saying Laura Kussenberg is a reliable source of info for British politics. Or Louise Mensch is sane.
    Well I won't be saying those things cause I don't know who those people are. Do you have a more general point?

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