*** OFFICIAL Movies & Movie Recommendations Thread ***

[boost]

Haha, yeah I was glad I went to see Lighthouse. I don't have a rave review about it, it was just a different and very worthwhile theater experience.

Also, if you haven't managed to see Parasite yet, you need to drop everything, including seeing Lighthouse and see that first. I went in knowing pretty much nothing, and thought that paid off. But then again, I think that's the way to go see any movie. Is it a director you like? A subgenre you like? Recommended by someone who's opinion you value? Then skip the trailers, reviews, etc and just go see it.

[oskar]

Parasite deserves all the praise it got.

A Girl Walks Home Alone At Night is a really neat spooky movie. It's hard to even make a comparison without giving too much away. I recommend going in cold even though there aren't really any plot spoilers since there largely is none. It's an easy recommendation though because you're either on board in the first 10 min, or you know it's definitely not for you.

I've been rewatching a lot of horror classics lately. A lot of them didn't hold up to how I saw them the first time, but one that really did is The Texas Chainsaw Massacre which is a much better movie than I remembered it. It is such a well structured and beautifully shot movie it's hard to believe it's from the same guy who also directed The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2, which is near unwatchable.

[oskar]

If you want to see Ari Ester (Midsommar, Heredetary) pour gasoline over his career and set it on fire over the course of 3 hours, go watch Beau is Afraid. It's amazing. It will play to empty theatres for about a week, so catch it while you can.

edit: this is a recommendation.

[Poopadoop]

If we're talking about movies that are so bad they're good, then Face Off has to be the GOAT. You see John Travolta at his absolute schmaltziest, and Nicholas Cage, who could give William Shatner lessons on overacting.





I also looked for a clip of Travolta doing the thing where he rakes his hand over people's faces as a sign of affection, but can't find one (if you've seen the movie, you'll know what I'm talking about). Like ffs, who thinks that feels good, getting your face raked.

[oskar]

Beau is Afraid is not bad at all. It's just that it is a 3 hour horror-drama-comedy in the style of Charlie Kaufman, told entirely from the viewpoint of an unreliable narrator about his journey to go see his mother. I loved it, but it's box office poison.

I have to watch Face-Off again. It has one of the dumbest premises that ever to make it onto the screen. It's like the plot to one of those fake trailers they show at the start of Tropic Thunder, but it's an actual movie. I think Nicholas Cage is a great actor, but he's in so many bad movies that he's almost regarded as a b-movie actor now. He was really good in Pig. He was the only reason Renfield was watchable. Leaving Las Vegas is probably still his most memorable role.

[Poopadoop]

I have to watch Face-Off again. That is up there with the dumbest premises that ever to make it onto the screen.

Every few years I watch it again and it makes me laugh my ass off every time.

I think Nicholas Cage is a great actor

If you're using the word "great" in the sense of "very entertaining to watch," I'll go along with that. Couldn't see him doing Shakespeare though.

[OngBonga]

Face Off is one of the worst films I've ever seen. It's funny though how Travolta can be such a dreadful actor in nearly every single one of his films, but have that performance in Pulp Fiction on his CV.

Still not touching Johnny Depp in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. That has to be the best performance from a wank actor I've seen. Hugh Grant in the Gentlemen is a close second.

[Poopadoop]

Diamonds dusted with gold.

[oskar]

Oh wow, it's so much worse than I remembered.
The have-a-normal-human-interaction - challenge. Difficulty level: scientologist.

It really speaks volumes about Tarantino's ability to coach actors that he got one of the most memorable performances ever out of that wet blanket.

[OngBonga]

I can imagine Travolta is considerably difficult to work with too. We're talking about a batshit scientologist Hollywood A-lister who literally flies his owns aircraft. So for Tarantino to have the influence necessary to ensure Travolta is delivering as required without throwing a hissy fit every time he hears the word "cut" is remarkable in itself.

It's worth noting Tarantino played the supporting role in From Dusk 'til Dawn, alongside George Clooney, and both were fantastic. That's another wank actor who has precisely one brilliant performance on his CV. Tarantino wasn't even directing that film, his sheer presence brings the best out of actors.

[OngBonga]

Harvey Keitel and Juliet Lewis were also fantastic in From Dusk 'til Dawn, but they're both wonderful actors, especially Lewis. Her performance in Natural Born Killers is legendary.

[oskar]

The only thing that got me through the first season of Yellowjackets was all the scenes with Juliette Lewis and Christina Ricci. I could watch these two scowl at each other for... well, exactly one season it turns out. That show doesn't have much else going on.

[OngBonga]

btw I recommend The Gentlemen purely for Hugh Grant's performance. He's absolutely brilliant, even hilarious, many times I had to remind myself it was the same prick who played that twat in Four Weddings and a Funeral. Maybe playing a sleazy camp wanker comes naturally to him.

Directed by Guy Ritchie, it's not quite of the standard of Lock Stock or Snatch but it's still good.

Brad Pitt in Snatch, there's another top notch performance. Best I've seen from him, he was dreadful in the Hateful Eight I thought, he was surrounded by quality actors putting him to shame. Tarantino didn't get the best out of him, Ritchie did though.

Leonardo Di Caprio in Django Unchained though. That's one of the finest performances I've ever seen. That scene where he's picking broken glass out of his hand is for real, he accidentally smashed a shot glass and carried on in character delivering his lines regardless, picking the glass out of his hand as he did so. After "cut" was called he got a round of applause from the crew. That scene is truly remarkable acting.

[OngBonga]

This scene. Warning, most definitely NSFW, very racist theme and language.

[oskar]

Big year for movies it seems like.
The Banshees of Inishirin is fantastic. Career best performances all arounds.
Watched Oppenheimer in Imax today. I felt a little melancholic watching all those great actors, realizing they all still exist, but nobody's making movies for them anymore. I can't remember the last time I saw Gary Oldman in anything. Had to look him up. The last thing he was in before Oppenheimer was some pile of trash called: The Hitman's Wife's Bodyguard... Just make it The Hitman's Wife's Bodyguard's Dog's Doghouse while you're at it. You know you want to.

Robert Downey Jr is great in it, but I bet the second they wrapped up filming, they shoved him into a rubber suit and dragged him back over to the next Iron Man set. I bet there are offices full of Marvel Execs shuffling through scripts right now, trying to find a way to tie Robert Oppenheimer into the Marvel universe.
It is the end of times and the end of times.

[OngBonga]

I'm surprised Robert Downey Jr is still alive.

I've only seen him in Natural Born Killers, that I can recall. Wayne Fucking Gale. He was so good in that role. I guess playing a neurotic cokehead came pretty naturally to him.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Someone told me that part of the fun of watching Oppenheimer is seeing all these A-list actors playing stellar roles when we kinda just don't see them in movies anymore.

Hollywood is a young-person's game a lot of the time. There are precious few Hollywood stories focused on the lives of older people, so the need for older actors is less. No matter how good you are, if there's no old people in the movie, you wont get a job acting in the movie.

[Poopadoop]

JAV with Engish subtitles is unmatched for entertainment value.

"I am very comfortable," while having an orgasm.

"I am so embarrassed," a guy taking his pants off.

"You are much harder than your father," just lol

[MadMojoMonkey]

Never heard of JAV.

[oskar]

I was toying with the idea of watching Oppenheimer in the only proper 70mm Imax cinema in mainland europe, which is in Prague, and you have to reserve those tickets two weeks in advance, the moment they become available. Everything from now until August 9th is sold out, except for the most shit seats for the 10:50AM screenings, two weeks from now.
The digital Imax in Vienna is continually sold out as well. Yesterday I was at a sold out screening for Wim Wender's Paris, Texas, which is a dogshit arthouse movie that people pretend to like. Maybe I'm being too pessimistic. There is still an audience for that type of movie, they just have to make them.

[Poopadoop]

I was toying with the idea of watching Oppenheimer in the only proper 70mm Imax cinema in mainland europe, which is in Prague

That's dedication. How long does it take you to get to Prague?

[oskar]

That's dedication. How long does it take you to get to Prague?

4h by train. There's other things to do in Prague as well. Eat Trdelnik, ride chairlift at the Zoo, rent Citybike and yell at cars. Great city.

[oskar]

Never heard of JAV.

I am glad I had to google that. This is really none of my business, but I just think if you talk about japanese porn so much that you need an acronym, you probably talk about japanese porn too much. Looking at you, Poop.

[Poopadoop]

Yeah maybe. I thought people who watch porn (which is assume is everyone) would know that.

I had a rando at a table on pokerstars ask me -out of the blue - whether I watch anime porn. I had to pause 'cause it was such a weird question, and while I did he started telling me it's really good and I should watch it. I've only ever chat-blocked about half a dozen people on stars, mostly for being obnoxious, but I put him on mute for that.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I hear Prague is a beautiful city. It's on my bucket list to visit.

Back in High School, this girl I had a crush on went to Prague for a vacation and brought me back a kitchy, little, clay Ocarina with a Prague skyline. I still have that, and remember how she described the city... 30 years later.

[OngBonga]

Never heard of JAV.

Haven't seen poop's reply yet, my guess is Japanese audio-visual. Seems like a bad translation from a bad Japanese porno.

[OngBonga]

Japanese adult video. Close enough.

[Poopadoop]

Seems like a bad translation from a bad Japanese porno.

The "comfortable" thing seems to come up a lot for "this feels really good." Maybe it's a bad translation, or maybe that's what Japanese people actually say when they are highly aroused.

The "embarrassed" one is fairly common and seems to match the person's body language in the instances I've seen. I think that's a cultural thing.

The comparing the son to the father one is in line with the general depravity of a lot of Japanese pretend-incest pron. I do wonder though if incest is supposed to be funny or if it's supposed to be hot. In evolutionary terms, incest should be repellant. So I'm bemused why it comes up so much as a theme in JAV.

[OngBonga]

In evolutionary terms, incest should be repellant.

Not really. Just because it's bad to reproduce with a close family member, doesn't necessarily mean we naturally find close family members unattractive. There's no evolution reason for that, anyway. It does kind of come naturally, but it's highly likely to be nurture, not nature. Consider Freud's work, where he hypothesises that a young boy goes through a phase where he is fixated on his mother, the Oedipus complex. If evolution insisted we find family members sexually repellent, then this phase of a boy's life makes no sense. Though at college, in psychology lessons I hypothesised that Freud was fucking weird and his childhood emotions were not common in boys of his age, and his work was his attempt to convince himself he wasn't weird. I basically psychoanalysed Freud in GSCE psychology.

I digress. People who are into incest are less likely to have offspring capable of reproduction, but that doesn't mean shit, because to argue that this is a product of evolution is to argue that someone who is into incest is that way due to genetics, rather than just being fucking weird.

As for why it's a thing in Japan, they're about as sexually weird as it gets for a culture. Individuals can obviously be way more depraved, but I challenge you to find a weirder population in this regard. It's all the more strange with them because in pretty much every other way they are socially perfect human beings, especially for such a large population.

The Germans are pretty fucking weird too, though as best I'm aware, they're not into shitting on their sisters.

[OngBonga]

Semi-incest is a thing in Western culture, it must be pointed out. Like there's a huge stepsister thing going on. It's obviously a lot less weird to fuck your stepsister than your actual sister, but it's weird that this kink exists really. Most stepsisters are not hot and the relationship is usually more like sister/brother than friends, so I don't really know who's into that except for the few people who happen to have a really hot stepsister. Maybe that's for people who are into incest but are in denial so subconsciously seek out more palatable entertainment.

[CoccoBill]

Not really. Just because it's bad to reproduce with a close family member, doesn't necessarily mean we naturally find close family members unattractive. There's no evolution reason for that, anyway.

Does banging your cousins give the offspring a genetic disadvantage? Are they on average more or less likely to reproduce? That's the evolutionary reason why it's off-putting, the ones finding it repellant have produced healthier kids and had an advantage over those who don't, so that trait has become more common.

[Poopadoop]

Semi-incest is a thing in Western culture, it must be pointed out. Like there's a huge stepsister thing going on. It's obviously a lot less weird to fuck your stepsister than your actual sister, but it's weird that this kink exists really. Most stepsisters are not hot and the relationship is usually more like sister/brother than friends, so I don't really know who's into that except for the few people who happen to have a really hot stepsister. Maybe that's for people who are into incest but are in denial so subconsciously seek out more palatable entertainment.

As I'm sure you know, evolution works by selection. An incest gene has such a negative cost associated with it that it would have to have some tremendous other benefit in order for it to get passed on through generations.

The only biological argument that could be made for incest is that when no other mating partners are available, then it's better to commit incest than not reproduce. But if your tribe is down to one family you're probably fucked anyways.

The step-incest thing is, at least biologically, harmless. It's a social construct to think of your step-sibling as taboo, because you should be no more biologically related than you are to a random stranger. You should, if it weren't for social norms, be allowed to boink your step-sibling to your heart's content. Might make for some awkward family dynamics but it's not a bad thing in terms of genes.

Weird that in many places, breeding with your cousin is thought of as more acceptable than breeding with a step-sibling.

My theory is that it's the taboo nature of the incest thing that makes it a theme in pron. It's not that people would actually boink a family member if they had the chance. There's no evolutionary harm to fantasising about it though.

[Poopadoop]

Does banging your cousins give the offspring a genetic disadvantage? Are they on average more or less likely to reproduce? That's the evolutionary reason why it's off-putting, the ones finding it repellant have produced healthier kids and had an advantage over those who don't, so that trait has become more common.

Yeah there's a long distance between finding a family member attractive and reproducing with them.

[Poopadoop]

An incest gene has such a negative cost associated with it that it would have to have some tremendous other benefit in order for it to get passed on through generations.

Actually this isn't necessarily true. A lot of bad genes still exist in the gene pool, mainly because they're recessive or whatever (not a geneticist). But they're very rare. Hemophilia is the classic example.

[Poopadoop]

Another weird thing about JAV is the rapey nature of a lot of the plots. It will start out as a sexual assault and then the woman will end up enjoying it.

Reminds me in a way of TV/movies when I was a kid (1970s). A fair bit of "romance" involved men forcing themselves on women despite their protests, and then the woman eventually giving in. The rapey part only went so far as the kissing stage though - still it would probably get a man arrested today.

[OngBonga]

As I'm sure you know, evolution works by selection.

Indeed, but there's no reason why incest would get selected out, since it's not a genetic trait.

Evolution happens by chance. A random mutation happens, which nearly always means something bad or nothing at all, but very occasionally gives the mutated creature a competitive and reproduceable advantage over others of that species. That little critter's offspring inherits that genetic advantage, and slowly dominates its species, creating a slightly improved version.

Incest isn't a genetic trait, as best I'm aware. So it's got nothing to do with evolution. You're not more likely into it if a parent was, not unless they diddled you as a kid and you liked it (nurture not nature). And you're not less likely into if if your parents are normal human beings.

Cousin-fucking is definitely more of a social taboo than an actual genetic risk. It's not illegal in the UK, let alone weird countries like Japan. Still, step-sister would definitely be lower risk (as in zero), even if cousin risk is very low.

[Poopadoop]

Incest isn't a genetic trait, as best I'm aware.

All behavior is influenced by genes. Is there a gene that affects a person's proclivity to commit incest? Almost certainly. It's probably not at the top of the list of the genes they're looking for though, since it's presumably so rare as to be practically extinct.

[OngBonga]

Does banging your cousins give the offspring a genetic disadvantage?

Does not banging your cousin mean your offspring are not going to bang their cousins?

Sure, the offspring of sisterfuckers will have less reproductive success on average, but that's not weeding out the incest gene, because there is no incest gene.

[Poopadoop]

I mean you could argue that the taboo against incest is a cultural thing, but since it's universal to all cultures, and has a clear evolutionary advantage over the alternative, there's about a 100% chance of it having a genetic basis.

[OngBonga]

All behavior is influenced by genes. Is there a gene that affects a person's proclivity to commit incest? Almost certainly. It's probably not at the top of the list of the genes they're looking for though, since it's presumably so rare as to be practically extinct.

I'm not so sure there's an "incest gene" though, rather it's a mental condition that affects sexual inhibitions, which is surely nurtured.

There is of course a gene that makes sexual metal illness more likely, but that doesn't necessarily have to manifest itself as incest. It could be rape, horses, dwarfs, putting objects up the bum, asphyxiwanks, there's all sorts or weird kinks that should serve as a reproductive disadvantage but they still happen.

[Poopadoop]

there is no incest gene.

If this is true, then there's also no no-incest gene. So what stops people from banging the first hot person they come across, even if it's a family member? And why is the incest taboo universal? Did all the world's cultures just happen to agree on an evolutionarily advantageous policy by chance?

[Poopadoop]

There is of course a gene that makes sexual metal illness more likely,

Is there? What's it called?

[CoccoBill]

Does not banging your cousin mean your offspring are not going to bang their cousins?

Sure, the offspring of sisterfuckers will have less reproductive success on average, but that's not weeding out the incest gene, because there is no incest gene.

There's basically no "gene for" anything. It's far more complex than that and there's usually several genes at play for any social or physical trait. If a cousin-banger has offspring, they are a bit more likely to be cousin-bangers too. If a non-cousin-banger has offspring, their likelihood of cousin-banging is on average what's neutral/normal in the gene pool. The differences in likelihood or the likelihood of even passing the gene(s) on are probably very small, but over thousands of generations they can become dominant in the population.

[OngBonga]

And why is the incest taboo universal?

Because we're intelligent enough to have figured out that sisterfucking isn't good. Nurture. Why do dogs fuck their siblings? Because they don't give a fuck about taboo.

Is there? What's it called?

idk, but it's likely, is it not? It's believed that people could be genetically more likely to be violent. I mean, we're talking about something that science doesn't fully understand here, so it's not like we're exchanging factual opinions here.

[OngBonga]

If a cousin-banger has offspring, they are a bit more likely to be cousin-bangers too.

This seems highly contentious.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Inbreeding is far less problematic to the gene pool that religions would have you think.

Inbreeding can result in a birth defect anywhere from 1 to 100 generations on. Birth defects happen in non-inbred populations as well, so not sure how dangerous that "it could happen the first time" is.

I remember in an anthropology class that there have been multiple points in human history where the species was severely culled. At one point, there were only 600 living humans. We are all related and inbred from those 600.

[CoccoBill]

This seems highly contentious.

https://modminds.pages.roanoke.edu/2...brother-gross/

Seems like the case is not 100% settled, as in more research needed, but there's no real good competing theories.

[Poopadoop]

At one point, there were only 600 living humans. We are all related and inbred from those 600.

Sure, and if you go back far enough, we're all inbred from a single bacteria. That ignores the fact that mutations happen over time though, so a lot of genetic diversity can happen from a single strain of genes over a lot of generations.

[Poopadoop]

Because we're intelligent enough to have figured out that sisterfucking isn't good. Nurture. Why do dogs fuck their siblings? Because they don't give a fuck about taboo.

Yeah, that sounded like bullshit.

https://www.dailydogstuff.com/can-br...-have-puppies/

Ignoring all the anthropomorphizing about how dogs don't feel disgusted by inbreeding, the critical point is this:

Zoologists found that isolated animals with no other potential mating prospects will interbreed to further the population.

[Poopadoop]

Inbreeding is far less problematic to the gene pool that religions would have you think.

You've obviously never heard of Europe's royal families. It might not be a big problem the first generation, but eventually it will catch up with you.

[MadMojoMonkey]

You've obviously never heard of Europe's royal families. It might not be a big problem the first generation, but eventually it will catch up with you.

IDK why'd you assume personal things about me, then classify your assumptions as "obvious" before any investigation whatsoever.

After all this time, you think I didn't google search dangers of inbreeding before I posted, here?
"Obviously" you don't give a fuck who I am or what I'm about, so "obviously" I should stop entertaining conversations with you.

[Poopadoop]

I should stop entertaining conversations with you.

Please do.

[CoccoBill]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv4Y4gdCmUc

[OngBonga]

Zoologists found that isolated animals with no other potential mating prospects will interbreed to further the population.

So the argument is that, given a choice between sibling and non-sibling, a dog will always choose the non-sibling? That's the implication of this response.

[Poopadoop]

So the argument is that, given a choice between sibling and non-sibling, a dog will always choose the non-sibling? That's the implication of this response.

I suspect so. But, I might temper that to say "non-domesticated animals." Whatever we've done with dogs, they're no longer a product of natural evolution.

[The Bean Counter]

I'm surprised I've not heard of JVA, albeit East Asian content is normally well down my usual search list.

On the incest thing, I heard years ago this doesn't happen due to a scent thing. We are only attracted to people with a different system configuration to ours that would be beneficial to our offspring. All of that is indicated by scent. That doesn't necessarily explain why we all want to sleep with the same handful of people, but it can explain why incest isn't a thing for the overwhelming majority and why we can all find some people surprisingly appealing in-person.

[OngBonga]

I suspect so. But, I might temper that to say "non-domesticated animals." Whatever we've done with dogs, they're no longer a product of natural evolution.

I suspect not. Though you're right to point out that we've interfered with dogs enough that they aren't a good example.

So... dolphins.

[Poopadoop]

So... dolphins.

What about them? Do they commit incest when non-incestuous boinking is available?

[Poopadoop]

Ewwwww.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/man-lo...KAQXB73KKCK6I/

[OngBonga]

What about them? Do they commit incest when non-incestuous boinking is available?

Yup, just like they fuck for fun, including homosexuality and peodaphilia, other forms of sexual activity that do nothing to further evolution. Basically a dolphin will fuck anything it can dominate and that it wants to fuck. I believe they also fuck porpoises, so add bestiality too.

[Poopadoop]

Yup, just like they fuck for fun, including homosexuality and peodaphilia, other forms of sexual activity that do nothing to further evolution. Basically a dolphin will fuck anything it can dominate and that it wants to fuck. I believe they also fuck porpoises, so add bestiality too.

Hmmm...

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=dolphin+incest


Here's a 30-year study that suggests they don't.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/44857251


I mean I'm not a zoologist, but it seems pretty straightforward to me. Inbreeding bad, leads to bad things. Ergo, animals that do it will die off, and animals that avoid it will survive to pass their non-incest-doing genes on to the next generation.

[OngBonga]

I'm not going to read all that at 4am (my sleeping pattern is fucked, doing night shifts and housekeeping) but from the brief glance I took, it seems that study was observing female dolphins and their behaviour during estrous, whatever that is, presumably the dolphin term for "in season".

Inbreeding bad, leads to bad things.

There's no dispute here.

Ergo, animals that do it will die off

This is in dispute. Why would they die off? Presumably the implication is that incestual beings are only fucking their family members. First of all, this happens when populations become too small, and that might or might not mean extinction, so it's not a given they die off. Secondly, this assumes that incestual beings are exclusively incestual, that is they aren't having non-incestual relations. But that isn't the case. In most cases in the animal kingdom, incest is also rape. It's sexually aggressive males doing what they want to do, and submissive females accepting it, or weaker males hating it.

and animals that avoid it will survive to pass their non-incest-doing genes on to the next generation.

Again, implying it's exclusive, that it's a "preference" in an individual caused by a gene, rather than a simple behavioural response to hormones, coupled with a lack of morals and empathy.

We're probably the only animal on the planet that has figured out it's bad. If dolphins give no fucks (and yes I appreciate I haven't shown it to be definite), then I'd be surprised if any other wild animal has the intelligence. Maybe some primates have figured it out.

I could be wrong of course, but it's not how I understand evolution. Evolution is a product of chance. Incest isn't a product of a genetic mutation that will ultimately get weeded out of the gene pool. If it was, it would only happen very rarely. Normal sexual behaviour is more likely to result in reproductive success than incestual, so an incest gene would get weeded out of the gene pool. Clearly that hasn't happened.

[Poopadoop]

estrous, whatever that is, presumably the dolphin term for "in season".

Sort of, yes. But it's not what dolphins call it, it's what biologists call it.

this happens when populations become too small,

If you add this caveat, then sure I agree. But before you said (with no evidence) that dolphins would mate with anything, which presumably includes their close relatives.

this assumes that incestual beings are exclusively incestual, that is they aren't having non-incestual relations. But that isn't the case. In most cases in the animal kingdom, incest is also rape. It's sexually aggressive males doing what they want to do, and submissive females accepting it, or weaker males hating it.

It's the fitness of the offspring that matters in all this. Given a choice between mating incestuously and mating non-incestuously (that's the crucial point here, there being a choice), your genes have a better chance of survival if you mate non-incestuously.

Again, implying it's exclusive, that it's a "preference" in an individual caused by a gene, rather than a simple behavioural response to hormones, coupled with a lack of morals and empathy.

You're putting the cart before the horse here. Evolution doesn't care about morals and empathy, it cares about behaviour. That's one of the things that makes altruism so mysterious. Sure, if you jump on a grenade to save your buddies you're a great guy, but you're also taking yourself out of the gene pool.

Even if screwing your sister made you a hero in the eyes of your tribe, it'd still be bad evolutionarily. The universal moral construct of a social taboo around incest emerges from the fact it's a bad idea evolutionarily.

We're probably the only animal on the planet that has figured out it's bad. If dolphins give no fucks (and yes I appreciate I haven't shown it to be definite), then I'd be surprised if any other wild animal has the intelligence. Maybe some primates have figured it out.

Animals probably haven't read Darwin, even the smart ones. But you don't need a conscious awareness of evolution in order to behave in ways that promote your genes. You can be human and not even believe in evolution. You're still going to be trying to survive and pass on your genes.

Evolution is a product of chance.

Wut?

Incest isn't a product of a genetic mutation that will ultimately get weeded out of the gene pool. If it was, it would only happen very rarely.

It does happen only very rarely. Prove otherwise. Using science, not some random thing you read on R/dolphinsaredicks or wherever you're getting your information from.

Normal sexual behaviour is more likely to result in reproductive success than incestual, so an incest gene would get weeded out of the gene pool. Clearly that hasn't happened.

It has happened. Incest between close relatives is extremely rare, about as rare as hemophilia. In animals, it only happens when there's no other mates available.

The idea that bad genes must immediately disappear from the gene pool is oversimplistic. There's plenty of nasty diseases and conditions caused by recessive genes that only express themselves when those recessive genes get matched with a partner's recessive genes in their offspring. That's the main reason incest is a bad idea in the first place - you're more likely to pass on some shitty genetic condition to your kids, even if you don't have the condition yourself because you only have one of the recessive genes in the pair.

[CoccoBill]

I could be wrong of course, but it's not how I understand evolution. Evolution is a product of chance. Incest isn't a product of a genetic mutation that will ultimately get weeded out of the gene pool. If it was, it would only happen very rarely. Normal sexual behaviour is more likely to result in reproductive success than incestual, so an incest gene would get weeded out of the gene pool. Clearly that hasn't happened.

Saying it's a product of chance is a mischaracterization, mainly coming from the intelligent design folks. There's randomness and chance involved with genetic mutations sure, but the process of evolution isn't at all based on it, it's just whatever works, works. The incest gene would get weeded out only if it comes with strong negative selection pressure, and that's only true for exclusive cousin-bangers. If someone also jovially does 2nd and 3rd cousins, not such a problem. Even if not, the genes are not just instantly deleted from all humans, it may take a lot of time for them to get lost. We still have crap like tailbones that are not useful, and appendixes that can kill us.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Some recessive genes are positive. Not all incest results in negative combinations.

Incest can be fine with no negative outcomes for dozens of generations, or not even 1. It's a crapshoot / not 100% bad.

The evolutionary feedback isn't consistent, so the evolutionary pressure wont be absolute.

[oskar]

So Talk to Me is a pretty good movie...
wtf is going on here?

[oskar]

If you're reading this and you haven't watched Dune 2 in Imax yet, I suggest you go watch Dune 2 in Imax.

[Poopadoop]

wtf is going on here?

Thanks for reminding me.

Crufts Dog Show just got in big shit (again) for setting standards for breeds that basically require the winning dog to be physically challenged. Next year they're bowing to pressure by introducing a thing where short-muzzled breeds have to pass a breathing test.

Seriously, anyone who says your dog needs to be totally inbred to win a ribbon needs a swift boot up the ass.

[Poopadoop]

wtf is going on here?

Thanks for reminding me.

Crufts Dog Show just got in big shit (again) for setting standards for breeds that basically require the winning dog to be physically challenged. Next year they're introducing a thing where short-muzzled breeds have to pass a breathing test.

Seriously, anyone who says your dog needs to be seriously inbred to win a ribbon needs a swift boot up the ass.

[MadMojoMonkey]

IDK why the site has experienced so many problems lately.

Apparently there's still someone on the back end fixing things silently.

I haven't heard anything from the owner or admins of this site in years.

[oskar]

I've had a mostly miserable April in movies. There's a really badly curated, I guess broadly-Asian film festival going on that's showing all kinds of irredeemable trash from Pakistan to Japan. I was hoping for an unexpected gem, but no such luck. So I'm all the happier to report that Civil War turned out great!
I hope their prop department is getting counselling because they've definitely seen some footage in preparation for this. I've never seen a war movie look and sound more real. I'll try to see it again tomorrow if I can manage without missing Monkey Man.

[wufwugy]

I like how this thread has become the porn/JAV thread.

Just wait until you find good JAV (or good american/euro) with VR.

[wufwugy]

Haha, yeah I was glad I went to see Lighthouse. I don't have a rave review about it, it was just a different and very worthwhile theater experience.

Robert Eggers is one of the most interesting directors working today. Every movie deals with a unique mythology, and has multiple interpretations.

Without giving away anything, the mythological interpretation of The Lighthouse is the Greek story of Prometheus. But other dimensions are also true at the same time.

Eggers makes movies that are the type you love when you're a major film buff like the type whose favorite class in college is literature/film class.

The Lighthouse shines differently than other Eggers work by being a masterclass in acting. I must say I am fond o Willem Dafoe's lobster.

Even though The Lighthouse is the highest rated Eggers film, I liked The Northman more, and I think his best film is The Witch. They all have moments of captivating imagery, as well as layers you just don't find elsewhere.

[wufwugy]

The Banshees of Inishirin is fantastic. Career best performances all arounds.

Memorable movie. Probably best to know it's an allegory for Irish Civil War before going in. I would have liked it better had I realized that. Instead if you interpret everything literally, it will often seem kinda odd.

[OngBonga]

Holy fucking shit he's alive.