06-23-2018 06:24 PM
#2701
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Last edited by oskar; 06-23-2018 at 06:27 PM.
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06-23-2018 06:26 PM
#2702
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Last edited by oskar; 06-23-2018 at 07:55 PM.
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06-23-2018 07:58 PM
#2703
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It's one thing when children are separated from their parents, but when Sarah Huckasand is separated from her dinner, you know things have gone too far. | |
06-23-2018 08:05 PM
#2704
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06-23-2018 09:17 PM
#2705
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big win for the free marketplace of ideas | |
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06-23-2018 09:56 PM
#2706
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06-23-2018 10:22 PM
#2707
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06-23-2018 10:59 PM
#2708
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I have another question. |
06-24-2018 05:03 AM
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I support their 'right' to do so, whatever that means. A business can decide who to serve and who not to. | |
06-24-2018 05:08 AM
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The ironic thing is there's a lot bigger scumbags than SHS that get served in restaurants daily because no-one recognizes them. | |
06-24-2018 11:20 AM
#2711
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It is pretty dumb isn't it. |
06-24-2018 03:35 PM
#2712
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06-24-2018 06:02 PM
#2713
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Last edited by Poopadoop; 06-24-2018 at 06:07 PM. | |
06-24-2018 06:50 PM
#2714
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06-24-2018 11:43 PM
#2715
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When you refuse service based on a persons sexual orientation, how is this fundamentally different from refusing service to someone based on the color of their skin, which I recall you saying shouldn't be legal. | |
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06-25-2018 12:09 AM
#2716
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I think people who refuse service to clientele based on skin color are very stupid. Even so, they, as long as they are acting only as private citizens, should be allowed that refusal. In return, I, and you, and everybody else, should be allowed to refuse them our business. Then, if my view is the main view, that they are stupid and are wrong to discriminate based on skin color, we get to punish them and watch them either go bankrupt or them come to terms with their actions and make a change that they believe to be their own in order to survive. |
Last edited by wufwugy; 06-25-2018 at 12:30 AM. | |
06-25-2018 02:45 AM
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Should companies then, being private citizens, be able to refuse hiring people based on e.g. their skin color or sexual orientation? Or if they do hire them, should they be allowed to treat them differently, such as pay them less, make them work longer hours, block them from management and executive jobs etc? I suppose government agencies, not being private citizens, should not be allowed to follow these practices? What about partly government owned or overseen private entities? | |
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06-25-2018 04:00 AM
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Seems to me the human rights issues involved are unrelated to free market principles. | |
06-25-2018 08:56 AM
#2719
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You guys are bastardizing the cake case quite a bit here. The Supreme Court didn't rule that business could pick and choose who to do business with based on their beliefs. That's still wrong. And it's why what happened to SHS is wrong. |
06-25-2018 01:22 PM
#2720
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You must realize that this disproportionately disadvantages minorities... that's why you can't do that anymore. Do I need to break this down? If 10% of the population are A and 90% of the population are B, even if they have the exact same rights to discriminate, section A will be disproportionately affected by a factor of 10. | |
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06-25-2018 01:24 PM
#2721
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And I got to give credit, this actually makes sense of the cake case. While it might be a genuine reason, I don't think it holds up because it's a claim you could make about anything. | |
Last edited by oskar; 06-25-2018 at 01:29 PM.
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06-25-2018 01:47 PM
#2722
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Well don't worry too much. Most of the reporting surrounding the decision included the phrase "not a precedent". |
06-25-2018 03:11 PM
#2723
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06-25-2018 04:52 PM
#2724
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I just didn't know. I've been doing quite a lot of baking lately, but actual cake law has remained quite low on the list of things I care about. | |
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06-25-2018 05:45 PM
#2725
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I have to admit I haven't been keeping close tabs on cake-gate either. | |
06-25-2018 09:15 PM
#2726
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No I didn't miss the bit about not allowing blacks. |
Last edited by Savy; 06-25-2018 at 09:24 PM. | |
06-25-2018 09:25 PM
#2727
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06-25-2018 09:54 PM
#2728
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06-25-2018 10:03 PM
#2729
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Top mathematician Nassim Taleb would say that the small minority has disproportionate statistical impact (by a tremendous amount). It's called the Minority Rule. Perhaps this is an important reason why allowing people to make their own decisions yields significantly better results for the lowest rungs. |
06-25-2018 10:04 PM
#2730
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06-25-2018 10:10 PM
#2731
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As the arguably second most influential economist of all time once described (Milton Friedman): Mandating a company's behavior takes away the most important related power that laborers and consumers have: punishing that company for behavior deemed immoral, and rewarding its competitors for being moral. |
06-25-2018 10:33 PM
#2732
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I suppose it's not obvious I'm first... |
06-25-2018 10:35 PM
#2733
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Ohh shit I turned down a job at a Catholic school because of funding ideologies and recruitment policies. I'm a martyr. My parents tell me to get a job. (well I didn't apply, that's a stance?) |
06-25-2018 10:42 PM
#2734
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It's something I quite dislike about him. |
06-25-2018 10:45 PM
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06-25-2018 10:53 PM
#2736
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Hawkeye, Trapper, and Colonel Henry Blake IMO. |
06-26-2018 12:34 AM
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Knock yourself out, but whatever the argument is, it will have to come down to special pleading because once again it's something that is happening to women in places like saudi arabia, and it has happend in the US before the civil rights movement. | |
Last edited by oskar; 06-26-2018 at 12:39 AM.
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06-26-2018 12:35 AM
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...rc=twsrc%5Etfw | |
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06-26-2018 05:08 AM
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I think I understand what you deem to be the mechanisms for that, and I'm not denying they have an effect, I just have strong reservations about them being the whole picture. Just as with the Minority Rule, it may be easy to confuse one identified mechanism to be the sole effecting mechanism. | |
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06-26-2018 08:51 AM
#2740
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What lie? |
06-26-2018 08:55 AM
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06-26-2018 11:40 AM
#2742
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Imagine my surprise when an exact phrase search of that quote taken out of the context that makes Trumps tweet a lie takes me to Fox news. | |
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06-26-2018 11:43 AM
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06-26-2018 11:48 AM
#2744
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In other supreme court news....Travel Ban Upheld! |
06-26-2018 08:43 PM
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06-26-2018 09:25 PM
#2746
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06-26-2018 09:26 PM
#2747
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06-26-2018 10:42 PM
#2748
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06-27-2018 12:54 AM
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Just remember that you're complicit in supporting a man who has created a policy to separate children as young as 2 months old from their parents, who has banned people from traveling to the US, claiming national security concerns that are baseless - causing all kinds of issues for no reason other than looking strong to his idiot supporters. Who has introduced trade tariffs on canada and the EU claiming national security concerns. Who praised the Tiannamen square massacre as a strong move. | |
Last edited by oskar; 06-27-2018 at 12:57 AM.
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06-27-2018 01:27 AM
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06-27-2018 05:10 AM
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06-27-2018 06:03 AM
#2752
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yeah Oskar, but what about Hillary's emails? | |
06-27-2018 08:49 AM
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He didn't create the policy. It's always been the policy, for everything, that you can't take your kids to jail with you when you're convicted of a crime. Whatever policy action Trump took, I see no evidence that it's sole motivation was to separate kids and parents. It seems pretty clear to me that the intent is to prosecute criminals. The left keeps presenting this like it was purely an exercise in racist cruelty. He got elected to secure the fucking border. Did you really expect that exercise to be all rainbows and lollipops?? |
Last edited by BananaStand; 06-27-2018 at 09:22 AM. | |
06-27-2018 08:56 PM
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06-27-2018 09:06 PM
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Absolutely, yet there is a catch: unintended consequences. Any system of sustainable error solving has to also solve the unintended consequences, most of which are not known or identified (hence unintended) at the time of implementation. The best functioning system is then not one that solves for errors given current knowledge and the current status, but solves for errors given future/potential knowledge and future/potential status. A system that sustainably solves problems isn't one that applies a known solution to a known problem; instead, it uses a known function to solve unknown problems, roughly speaking. |
06-27-2018 09:39 PM
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I have another response to this. |
06-28-2018 04:47 AM
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06-28-2018 08:37 AM
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Agreed, the system needs to be self-correcting. It's just that I'm unconvinced that the market forces, in effect evolution, is the most efficient solution in all cases. The correcting effect of trial and error is limited, in most cases just to the one making the error and some of those immediately around him, if even that, but certainly not the whole population at once. For every error that "makes it to the news" there are thousands that don't. This means the same errors are made over and over again before they become "known". | |
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06-28-2018 11:02 AM
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I agree, but I don't agree. | |
06-28-2018 12:50 PM
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06-28-2018 12:50 PM
#2761
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Last edited by oskar; 06-28-2018 at 12:59 PM.
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06-28-2018 12:52 PM
#2762
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well, there goes the Nobel Prize. | |
06-28-2018 01:00 PM
#2763
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NO WAY! | |
Last edited by oskar; 06-28-2018 at 01:02 PM.
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06-28-2018 01:08 PM
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06-28-2018 01:08 PM
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06-28-2018 01:17 PM
#2766
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https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/dprkchron | |
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06-28-2018 01:34 PM
#2767
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Check and mate |
06-28-2018 01:37 PM
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06-28-2018 01:43 PM
#2769
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Yeah, I feel like this is just blood in the water for liberal media sharks. What sensible person really thought that KJU would go back to NK and just say "Alright boys...shut it down!" |
06-28-2018 01:43 PM
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06-28-2018 01:50 PM
#2771
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There are much better, and funnier, cut ups of juxtaposed fox news statements on this topic on YouTube. |
06-28-2018 01:52 PM
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At the end of the day, the US can't do jack shit about NK. Their trade partners and bordering countries: russia, china, and potentially SK can implement sanctions and force concessions. All the US president can do is his funny little cowboy dance to impress his voter base for the midterms. | |
Last edited by oskar; 06-28-2018 at 02:39 PM.
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06-28-2018 01:58 PM
#2773
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06-28-2018 02:27 PM
#2774
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Your grasp on the english language is as tenuous as your grasp on reality. | |
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06-28-2018 02:48 PM
#2775
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