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    Nobody ever was accountable. And this is about whataboutism, I'm actually saddened by this episode because now he puts himself firmly in the same company as those I despise, people who put economic interests ahead of global security. But then what Western leader didn't? I guess the best I can hope for as a realistic argument in his (and May's) defence is that they are of the opinion that not having access to Saudi oil will be worse for global security than the Saudis shelling the shit out of Yemen and killing political opponents in their consulates. If we're that desperate for the oil of a country that is running out, we have very serious problems indeed, and they go way beyond the President's power. No, it's just much easier for me to believe that those in high position have a vested interest in sectors like energy and military hardware, that Saudi Arabia is too rich a friend to ditch, and that war is too profitable to oppose. Trump has a chance here to really show he's different, and it doesn't look like he'll take it.
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    There's also the very real possibility that Trump is schmoozing S.A. for the same reason he schmoozes Russia: He has a hotel and/or some greasy money laundering shit going on there and doesn't want to lose his customer. It's just a coincidence it fits in with his country's plans to sell arms/buy oil in this case.
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    Yeah well that kind of shit is entirely baseless and is bourne out of hatred for Trump, rather than reality. When people say that stopping the arms trade "will hurt us more than them", you know where the money is, and it's not a dirty hotel, which could possibly launder millions at a push, not the tens of billions that energy and weapons are worth.
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    I mean really. Money laundering in hotels. That's the kind of stuff regular gangsters do. Presidents have much loftier ambitions.

    Corruption in government isn't about laundering dirty money, that's laughable. That's what drug dealers do, not nation state arms dealers. This is a "legitimate" trade and so there's no need to "clean" the money, the benefactors are the shareholders of the companies supplying the weapons, and shareholders of energy companies that rely on Saudi oil.

    Maybe Trump had a dirty hotel when he was a mere businessman. I wouldn't give a fuck if he did. Capitalism is a dirty world, very few get to the top without playing dirty somewhere along the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Yeah well that kind of shit is entirely baseless and is bourne out of hatred for Trump, rather than reality.
    It only seems baseless to people who don't inform themselves about all the corruption already tied to Trump. And just dismissing that as 'you hate Trump, so you assume the worst' is lame. It's more like 'Trump's showed himself to be a selfish con man cunt, that's why I hate him'.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    When people say that stopping the arms trade "will hurt us more than them", you know where the money is, and it's not a dirty hotel, which could possibly launder millions at a push, not the tens of billions that energy and weapons are worth.
    There's a problem here in that you're assuming that what's good for the US is also good for Trump. Even assuming he knows what's good for the US, there's plenty of evidence to make one think he's more interested in what's good for Trump. Just because he's president doesn't mean he suddenly became this selfless patriot.



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    I mean really. Money laundering in hotels. That's the kind of stuff regular gangsters do. Presidents have much loftier ambitions.
    Some might but I doubt Trump is one of them. Have you not noticed how much corruption there is surrounding him? It's about half of the people he ever hired since he started running for president that have been found guilty now lol. So, he surrounds himself with criminals but he himself is clean? Sure, whatever.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Corruption in government isn't about laundering dirty money, that's laughable. That's what drug dealers do, not nation state arms dealers. This is a "legitimate" trade and so there's no need to "clean" the money, the benefactors are the shareholders of the companies supplying the weapons, and shareholders of energy companies that rely on Saudi oil.
    I'm sure he's found better ways to make money off his position than money laundering in hotels, you're right.

    I guess you're also missing the bigger picture that his corruption depends on his playing nice with these guys. Cancel arms deal? Ok, we hit you where it hurts - your own wallet. Maybe we stop staying at your hotel when we visit Washington. Or maybe we stop giving you deals on land in our country. Or maybe we reveal your corruption to your own people. Not sure why you find it so outlandish that he could be personally beholden to these foreign countries in some way. There's plenty of evidence that he's tied up with greasy people already.



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    Maybe Trump had a dirty hotel when he was a mere businessman. I wouldn't give a fuck if he did. Capitalism is a dirty world, very few get to the top without playing dirty somewhere along the way.
    So suddenly you expect him to be an idealist now that he's president? So his past behaviour is not predictive of his future behaviour? He's just different from everyone else who's ever lived in that way? lol

    You're saying the US stands to win/lose billions, whereas he only stands to win/lose millions. But so what? What does he care more about, himself gaining money, or the US? I'll give you three guesses.
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    "Oh look, how convenient that I'm president now."

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...-YPM1lUHYrHMfw
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    It's quite amusing really. Here I am actually critical of Trump, but instead of talking about the issues that we might agree on, you instead try to ram home how corrupt he and his people are, while referring to small cheese shit. That's an obsession, dude. I laugh at your comment about dirty hotels,point out weapons and energy are where the real money is at, and you insist of assuming he's involved in low-level corruption and gives a fuck if Saudi royals stay at his hotels. Your obsession with Trump has you missing the bigger picture. Maybe that's the whole point of the relentless media campaign against him... to distract the masses and divide them into for and against camps while they make billions off trade.
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    How much do you want to bet the UK and France join Germany in halting arms sales to S.A., and the US doesn't?
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    If the UK halts arms sales to SA over this, my jaw might smash a hole in the floor.
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    They did what now?

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/22/m...hes/index.html

    This story just keeps getting crazier.
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    He died in a fist fight.
    So... outnumbered 15:1, a pudgy, middle-aged reporter decided to engage in a fist fight?
    Yep.
    Well. Forensic science will surely corroborate your story. Where's the body?
    Uhhhhh..... Wait. Scratch that. Look... he left via the back door wearing one of the 15 guys shoes and went sight-seeing.




    I'm half expecting to find out the 15 men have an airtight alibi and it's all an elaborate ruse to throw the world off the scent of the actual killers.
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    "We cut his fingers off so he couldn't make a fist. When he kept fighting, we had to take off an arm, then another arm, then the legs.

    He said "it's just a flesh wound," and kept fighting. Good thing there were 15 of us with a bone saw because he was surprisingly agile for someone with no limbs. Finally we overpowered him, and then one of us (Abdul) put on his clothes to go sightseeing in 'cause his own clothes were too bloody.

    Why weren't Khashoggi's clothes bloody too? That's the funny thing, he stripped down before he started the fight. So his clothes were the only ones that didn't get any blood on them. And Abdul always wanted to see the Blue Mosque. So he put them on.

    Where's his body? Oh, a dog took it. A really big one. Brown, I think.

    What? You don't believe that?

    Ok, wait. We'll get back to you in a few more days."
  13. #3313
    Their plan might have worked better if his fiancee wasn't waiting for him to come out of the consulate...
  14. #3314
    Lolz Trump is now promising a 10% tax cut for middle-income earners, to be done next week (while congress is out of session). Desperate much?

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