*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[MadMojoMonkey]

It's all just tragic and sad and fucked up. I'm grateful that Trump is fine, and that his family doesn't have to lose him.
The complete fuck-heads they all are is acknowledged, and beside the point.

IDK how often the Secret Service thwarts an assassination attempt, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's many times per year.

I do not think Trump has the capacity to pull that off as a fake. He's a liar, but not a good one, just a persistent one.
I put near 0% chance that if he was acting, he could manage not to give it all away within 24 hours.
The man has a tendency to openly brag about his crimes on TV interviews, FFS.

The clear problem with unintended targets being the entire background to any missed shots is beyond fucked up.
The fact that it was a near certainty that there would be casualties not limited to the primary target, and that those casualties would be our own citizens, is beyond fucked up.

I sincerely hope there was no political conspiracy behind this. We'll never really know. Of course, there is an investigation already underway, and there will be a public statement in many weeks or months about their version of the story. Obviously it wont be 100% true nor will it be 0% true, so ... we'll see what we think of it when it comes out, I guess.

[OngBonga]

They didn't hire the kid to kill Trump in my made-up version of events.

There are a ton of conspiracy theories doing the rounds, many of which involve him being hired. Makes no sense to me, I mean at that distance I'd give myself a 50-50 chance of hitting his head after just a day of training, and I've never fired a proper gun in my life.

It seems highly likely to me he's a wannabe hero but actually a nutjob who thinks taking out Trump and a few of his supporters would leave some kind of positive legacy. The Secret Service either turned a blind eye in the hope he hit his first shot, or utterly failed in their most basic of duties of their snipers, which is to keep a lookout for other fucking snipers in obvious sniping positions like the top of the only building someone could reasonably access.

Something definitely feels fishy about this, but I don't for one minute think Trump and his goons orchestrated this to boost his popularity. That seems absurd to me, more so than any nutjob theory I've given serious thought to.

[OngBonga]

The fact people in the crowd got hit by actual bullets tells you the kid had an actual gun. So what, he aimed at the crowd but not Trump? You really think Trump is that much of a literallyHitler than he would sanction this plan?

Trump got hit by an actual bullet, on his ear, an actual inch from his big orange head. The bullet that grazed him quite possibly killed or injured someone else. I don't see how this is anything other than a genuine assassination attempt. The motives and who's behind it, that's up for debate.

[Poopadoop]

The fact people in the crowd got hit by actual bullets tells you the kid had an actual gun.

That presupposes the kid was only human being in the entire area who had a gun, and ergo the bullets fired into the crowd had to have come from him.



[/QUOTE] So what, he aimed at the crowd but not Trump? You really think Trump is that much of a literallyHitler than he would sanction this plan? [/QUOTE]

Trump could have been told "hey we're going to fake an assassination attempt to build up your support, when you hear blanks being fired grab your ear and go down, then smear this fake blood on it before we lift you up again, then do the fight fight fight thing" thought "that's a great idea, I'm totally behind that, my ratings will be so high after this." They didn't even have to tell him real bullets would be fired into the crowd to make it more believable. He could hardly have said "wait a minute I only agreed to a fake attempt to dupe the public, I didn't agree to people actually getting killed," after the fact, could he?




[/QUOTE] Trump got hit by an actual bullet, on his ear, an actual inch from his big orange head. [/QUOTE]

His ear looks 100% intact to me. Funny way for an ear to look after a bullet supposedly hit it.




Also funny there was more blood on his seemingly intact ear than there was on Evander Holyfield's ear after Tyson indisputably bit a chunk out of it. Trump, whose blood probably has the consistency of KFC gravy given his diet, bleeds more from his wound that leaves his ear intact than a world-class athlete, whose wound left him with 97% of an ear? Does not compute.




[/QUOTE] The bullet that grazed him quite possibly killed or injured someone else. I don't see how this is anything other than a genuine assassination attempt. The motives and who's behind it, that's up for debate.[/QUOTE]

Again, presupposing he was hit by an actual bullet. Some people definitely were, not clear that any of them were Trump.

Let's see his "wound," once they take the bandages off. If it's actually a big hole in his ear and you just can't see it in the photo because of the blood, I'll say fine you were right. If it's some tiny nick that couldn't have possibly bled as much as that I'm standing by my paranoid fantasy.



Seriously, anyone who thinks there aren't people high up in the US establishment who wouldn't think twice of sacrificing a few US citizens for what they believe to be the best interests of the entire country are being incredibly naive. I mean, have you ever heard of a thing called war? These types of decisions are made all the time, don't act like it's so far-fetched.

I'm not saying that happened here, I just think there's something fishy about a committed conservative, registered republican kid suddenly deciding to bump off the Orange Jesus, then no-one in the secret service noticing him crawling around on a rooftop with a gun, then him hitting Trump in just exactly a way that would cause him to bleed a lot without seriously hurting him, before being offed himself by the SS snipers. Seems like an amazing confluence of highly improbable events all happening at the same time to me.

[oskar]

I'd give this guy about a zero percent chance to be anything but your run-of-the-mill mass shooter.

[OngBonga]

I mean, how many people in America do you suppose there are that would, given the chance, take Trump's orange head off?

Someone in England wanted to take the Queen's head off with a crossbow. Someone wanted to kidnap, rape, torture and ultimately kill a breakfast show host. Someone sent a bomb to Bjork and then filmed himself committing suicide.

It's extremely easy to believe someone would want to do this. It's harder to believe someone can do this without being spotted in good time, but it only takes one out of a hundred to slip through the net for it to be a bit more credible. This could be that one in a hundred, at least that seems the most likely explanation at the moment, given the information.

[oskar]

I mean, how many people in America do you suppose there are that would, given the chance, take Trump's orange head off?

Exactly. Who knows how many attempts at the POTUS's head are successfully stopped by the SS.

[Poopadoop]

It's extremely easy to believe someone would want to do this. It's harder to believe someone can do this without being spotted in good time, but it only takes one out of a hundred to slip through the net for it to be a bit more credible. This could be that one in a hundred, at least that seems the most likely explanation at the moment, given the information.

The fact a lot of people want to do it and are stopped doesn't preclude it being a set up this time.

They stopped a lot of assassination attempts on JFK before he got plugged. On that day, his security was suddenly lax as they're driving through a hostile city with a bunch of open office windows. Oops.

Here, they had a rooftop within 150m of Orange Jesus with a clear line of sight and no-one on it. And somehow someone with a rifle gets up there, gets noticed by a bunch of civvies, and still gets off eight shots. Oops.

At the very least it's willful negligence on the part of the SS. I mean you just don't let that happen.

[Poopadoop]

I'd give this guy about a zero percent chance to be anything but your run-of-the-mill mass shooter.

The lone nut patsy is straight out of the CIA playbook.

[oskar]

The lone nut patsy is straight out of the CIA playbook.

I thought it was exploding cigars and drone strikes.

[Poopadoop]

I thought it was exploding cigars and drone strikes.

Sure, and Oswald, Sirhan and Ray all acted on their own accord.

Oswald managed to shoot JFK in the front of the head from behind, then got bumped off two days after the assassination.

Sirhan fired 13 shots at RFK from an 8-shot revolver. Managed to hit him behind the ear while standing in front of him.

Ray killed MLK, but the family won a civil suit for wrongful death against half the gov't and the mafia.


Nothing to see here folks, just another lone nut.

[OngBonga]

I sincerely hope there was no political conspiracy behind this.

I find it easier to believe it's a lone wolf, given the amateur nature of it. The political conspiracy aspect is whether the Secret Service "stood down", so to speak, and if so, was that the act of an individual who could have intervened but chose not to, or were there orders?

If someone with the power to do so were to order the SS to stand down in an assassination attempt, surely the same people would just hire someone to do the job and get it done. Why rely on an amateur?

I think you're right that perhaps hundreds of failed plots go unreported. Matter of time before someone slips through the net. Maybe this kid got lucky and picked literally the best sniper spot given the defensive positions of SS snipers, and was genuinely unseen by anyone in authority in enough time.

If the SS did stand down, that's a problem. If Trump believes they did, he might be forced to hire mercenaries to protect him, and this is the beginning of a private army.

[OngBonga]

Given the kid had a real gun and was firing into the crowd, and given Secret Service goons were putting their heads in line of sight to protect Trump, I find it really hard to believe they stood down as a unit. Maybe one sniper thought "nah I'll just pretend I didn't see that", but orders from above seems unlikely, unless the goons were given assurances that the sniper would not hit them, which in turn implies the kid was under order.