*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[MadMojoMonkey]

Change the "we should improve society somewhat" to "i demand you stop doing this thing that I won't stop doing, give me attention" and change the other comment to "get a fucking hobby" and that will reflect the position from my pov.

I don't know the specifics of this situation, but the facts I've been presented haven't painted a picture of bad faith protests.

A person who drives an SUV can still rail at the giant corporations whose pollution absolutely dwarfs anything coming from a consumer vehicle. That's not hypocritical, IMO. Not in a toxic way, at least.

The scale is so far out of whack that your assertion that if someone isn't doing their 0.01% with extreme inconvenience to their life in our culture, then they don't have the right to protest a company doing 15% of the pollution in their own city/county/state/planet is absurd, IMO.

You just basically said all protest is immoral except for some imaginary, hypothetical uber hippy who's so far removed from our culture that surely you'd argue they don't have any skin in the game or smth.


A person need not be without fault to cite far greater faults done by others. Comparing the minimal emissions of GHGs from an SUV to the extreme pollution done by the trans-ocean shipping fleet that brought the car or the parts for the car across the world to be made for you... doesn't equate. That's not a balance, IMO.


And there's only so much choice we have as consumers when it comes to what we can buy. It's not like I have the choice to not buy any plastic when I go grocery shopping. Literally everything in the store is packaged in plastic. Even the produce that isn't packaged, the bags they supply are plastic.

Now, I do use washable, re-usable cloth bags when I buy my produce, but that hardly makes me a saint who has somehow more right to be upset about the over-use of plastics. Sometimes I don't have enough reusable bags and some produce comes home in plastic.

Sure, I'm going to hell, but probably not for that.

[OngBonga]

A person who drives an SUV can still rail at the giant corporations whose pollution absolutely dwarfs anything coming from a consumer vehicle. That's not hypocritical, IMO. Not in a toxic way, at least.

Agreed. But don't target the general public, because in doing so, you're sending the message that the public are the ones to blame, and the ones that need to change their habits. If that's the message you're sending, then absolutely you need to set an example. If you're outright demanding the public to stop using things that consume needless amounts of oil, then don't drive a fucking SUV, use the cleanest form of transport that you can reasonably use.

You just basically said all protest is immoral...

No, that's just how you're choosing to interpret my tone. Scroll back through the convo and you'll see I don't really have a problem with them protesting at sports events. The hate for them comes from their time gluing themselves to roads. And I made the point that I support these protesters when it comes to legal consequences they're facing. They don't deserve long jail sentences, not the first time they get hauled before a court for taking protest too far.

To be clear, protest is most definitely not immoral. And I understand that protest sometimes need to be in-your-face. But anyone with a brain understands that stopping traffic on one of the busiest motorways in the world is going to result in a small number of people in need of emergency treatment being put at serious risk. If you're going to take that kind of action as an act of protest, then the message you send absolutely needs to be a message you actually believe in.

And there's only so much choice we have as consumers when it comes to what we can buy.

This just raises the question... why are the protesters targeting the public? They are saying consumer habits need to change, if that's their message then their consumer habits should be setting the example. That means not having a brand new Range Rover on the drive of your rural "farm" that isn't actually a working farm and is just a nice place to live in the countryside for a family and their horses. That's the kind of person we're dealing with here. These fuckers live the life we all dream of, and they have the audacity to annoy and put at risk the general public to demand the public do things they aren't willing to do themselves.

[OngBonga]

The ultimate example of a social justice warrior twat hypocrite is Bono from U2. He's happy to bang on about whatever cause he thinks will make him look good but he's also more than happy to fly his hat first class to Italy for a charity event. True fucking story.

[CoccoBill]

If you found out that humanity is facing an extinction-level threat and no one is doing anything about it, what actions would you choose to spread the knowledge about it or effect change? Pretend there's a humongous monster sleeping in the town square, and every day people go there to poke it with sticks trying to wake it up, laughing at you when you try to stop them. The fact that most climate protests are peaceful is a bit surprising to me.

[OngBonga]

Pretend there's a humongous monster sleeping in the town square, and every day people go there to poke it with sticks trying to wake it up, laughing at you when you try to stop them.

The bit where we have to pretend is the bit where you imply those saying "stop poking the monster" aren't also poking the monster.