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Ong, the US was wrong to attempt to assassinate Castro, over and over. The US was wrong to be so dogmatic in their anti communism that they abandoned their support of the right to self determination.

I appreciate that you're willing to entertain Putin's perspective. I think that's important to be able to do. But now do the same for the people of Ukraine. Look at the cold war and its aftermath. Which way would you want to lean? Where is life better? The remaining client states of Russia, or Poland, unified Germany, etc? Would you rather align with the powerful entity that will tend to exert soft power over you, or the one that will tend to exert overt power over you?

You claim that people are treating this as black and white, and while certainly some are, I think your contrarian stance has you both-sides'ing your way to a nihilistic rendering in which neither side is worthy of support. Ofc this works in Putin's favor, since if neither side is worthy of support, the militarily superior (that's becoming questionable) side is left to have their way.

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Ong, the US was wrong to attempt to assassinate Castro, over and over. The US was wrong to be so dogmatic in their anti communism that they abandoned their support of the right to self determination.

I appreciate that you're willing to entertain Putin's perspective. I think that's important to be able to do. But now do the same for the people of Ukraine. Look at the cold war and its aftermath. Which way would you want to lean? Where is life better? The remaining client states of Russia, or Poland, unified Germany, etc? Would you rather align with the powerful entity that will tend to exert soft power over you, or the one that will tend to exert overt power over you?

You claim that people are treating this as black and white, and while certainly some are, I think your contrarian stance has you both-sides'ing your way to a nihilistic rendering in which neither side is worthy of support. Ofc this works in Putin's favor, since if neither side is worthy of support, the militarily superior (that's becoming questionable) side is left to have their way.

They can lean West without poking the bear in the process. Finland manage this just fine. It doesn't have to involve NATO membership. They must have known that war was a possibility.

I do get it from Ukraine's pov, which is why I am happy to see Russia struggling to take cities. Russia are the invading force. Anyone who takes up arms against an invading force, good luck to you. And I understand why they want to be friends with the West. But to basically say "yeah we'll be friends and we'll even allow Russia's enemies to bring all sorts of military hardware not only to the Russian border but also to the Black Sea", that's where we're not really doing anything to remain at least on talking terms to your big fuck off powerful neighbour.

I think Ukraine has been reckless in its policy.