*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[MadMojoMonkey]

idk about internally, but from outside, Trump's time as president was a shitshow largely because there was so much noise coming from people who hated him. Sure he said a few dumbass things, but are the haters really going to stand there and say that dumb statements are worse than warlike rhetoric?

War is the real measure of psycho leaders.

I feel like you're forgetting the daily news cycle of Trump-did-WTF-this-time?.

It wasn't just his domestic political haters that were all over that shit. International news agencies were reporting articles like "I'm from a country that suffered internal political collapse and the shit he's pulling looks terrifyingly familiar."

He repeatedly attempted to destroy documents that he's forbidden by law from destroying. The Joint Chiefs of Staff repeatedly told him he could not tear up the papers they handed him, but he did it anyway. Then some poor staffer has to go back and tape back together all that shit because it's required by law to be filed away. That was just someone's job on his staff. Going around behind him and un-breaking the federal laws he'd just shat upon.

I heard he literally clogged the plumbing at the White House trying to flush documents, but not whether those documents were legal to destroy. Lol. Funny if true.

And the Jan 6 crap. It's not clear what he knew when he knew it, but it is clear that he thwarted either directly or by inaction the response to protect and keep secure the Capitol building. And has acted as an apologist for those people who were chanting "Hang Mike Pence" (the VP) and who'd broken into the houses of Congress with frankly who even knows their intent. I suspect at least 99% of them had no actual plan for what they'd do if/when they got in. It's that other 1% that is worrisome.

FFS, Trump still claims the election was stolen and that he's the rightful POTUS at this time.


Please keep in mind that none of these critiques are politically motivated. I'm not a champion of any political parties in the US.
None of these critiques of him are based on politics.

[OngBonga]

If the UK went to war with Australia because there's a majority of English-speaking people there, and one of their provinces for some reason wanted to be a part of the UK, would that be ok?

This isn't remotely analogous. This isn't a regional matter any more, you couldn't have picked two places on Earth further apart.

You'd have been better off talking about the Falklands. These people actually do want to be part of the UK, for good reason... they fear the Argentinians. Morally, the Falklands should be an independent nation, free from UK rule, but I can totally understand why they want the protection that comes from the British military. Maybe their fear of Argentina is somewhat irrational, this isn't the Junta days of the 80s anymore, but their occasional nationalist rhetoric regarding the Falklands really doesn't help.

This Ukraine conflict is a whole different matter though. Donbas borders Russia. It was part of the Soviet Union in living memory. The people of this region, for the most part, share more in common with Russia than Ukraine. Of course there's a lot more to it than that, but when you have these cultural and ethnic issues at borders, you've got complicated problems.

Ukraine saying "nope this is Ukrainian territory, fuck off" is no different to the UK saying to Ireland "nope this is British territory, fuck off". You can't just sweep these kind of things under the carpet by simply declaring sovereignty.

Ultimately, democracy should prevail. But if democracy prevails here, Donetsk and the surrounding region becomes autonomous and politically closer to Russia than Ukraine.

[OngBonga]

Who started the war in the Crimea?

What war? As best I can recall, it was a locally celebrated occupation, followed by a referendum. I don't remember actual fighting when Russia annexed Crimea.

[Poopadoop]

What war? As best I can recall, it was a locally celebrated occupation, followed by a referendum. I don't remember actual fighting when Russia annexed Crimea.

Oh right, "military occupation." Just like in Austria and Sudetenland. We all remember how well that turned out and how much of a peace lover the guy who started that off was.

[Poopadoop]

When the USSR was formed, there was a Russian SSR and a Ukranian SSR and a bunch of others. All the territory the Russians lately claim belong to Russia (including the Crimea) were part of the Ukranian SSR. Yes, a lot of Russians moved into these areas, and a lot of people took on Russian as their language, but this is kind of like arguing Scotland is part of England now so they should hand it over piece by piece.