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No, we were not. No-one said looting is an acceptable thing to do. We objected to the use of deadly force against them because you, as I recall, thought the police should shoot the looters.
Looters who have no need to loot are no better than murderers. I wouldn't give a fuck if a murderer was shot dead by police. Looting causes massive social tension and it is extremely dangerous, putting lives at risk. I'm pretty sure I would have said it then, but I'll say it now for clarity... if people are looting food and water, essentials for survival, after a disaster, that's a different world altogether to people stealing trainers and TVs. There was no justification for what was happening. Deadly force is morally justified in such circumstance, imo.
There isn't even any perceived fraud. There's fabricated allegations of fraud. If you're stupid enough to believe everything a serial liar like Trump says, then you're either delusional or an idiot, sorry.
Look, at least try to talk objectively. You do this all the time, throw your opinion around like it is fact. This is you applying your worldview to the situation instead of attempting to see it from someone else's pov.
I said "perceived fraud" to deliberately keep it objective. Discussing whether fraud happened or not is irrelevant.
You call Trump a "serial liar". Fine. But what I think is delusional and stupid is assuming such traits are rare in politicians. I don't trust any of them.
I'll just let these words sit here and speak for themselves.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Occupying the Capitol seems like a reasonable thing to do to me, more so than smashing up shops and fighting cops. This was an actual political statement rather than an act of pure anarchy.
Why is it such a no-no to you? Why should the Capitol have protected status when it comes to protest?
Because you just made it up right now, by claiming we were ok with people doing property damage. No-one here said that was an acceptable form of protest. We only said it did not justify a summary execution.
I've got a feeling oskar was a little more enthusiastic than you were towards their behaviour. Granted I shouldn't lump you in with him, he's definitely more extreme left than you, but we did not exclusively talk about executing looters. Maybe that was the extent of your problem, fair enough.
Sure it is. If I genuinely thought our democracy was being stolen from us, and I had the support of like minded people, I would protest. You're applying you idea of "fact" to other peoples' behaviour.
Fighting for democracy is a legitimate reason to protest. Provided these people think that's what they're doing, it doesn't matter if fraud even happened.
No-one ITT has said they don't have a right to protest.
No, but you seem to think they did something terrible by occupying a building.
So if BLM supporters stormed the Houses of Parliament while it was in session to vote in the Brexit bill and all the MPs had to run for cover, you'd be ok with that as long as they didn't burn down any grocery stores on the way there. Gotcha.
Storming the Houses of Parliament would be a much better form of protest than burning down a grocery store, yes. You think I give a fuck if an MP loses a shoe in the hurry to get into the underground bunker?
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