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[OngBonga]

It found that people who identified as ‘White’ were twice as likely to use or have taken drugs than people of African heritage. However, in London, people described as ‘Black’ were six times more likely to be stopped and searched for drugs.

I mean you post this without the slightest awareness of deliberate misinformation in this very quote. It first compares whites with Africans, and then concludes based on whites vs blacks. Why didn't they compare whites vs blacks in both cases?

Also, this claim is directly contradicted by your first link today, this one...
https://assets.publishing.service.go...-sentences.pdf

According to these figures, white women are around 20% more likely than black women to be convicted for drug offences, but black men are much more likely than white men, like 70% more likely.

And you moan at me for not being arsed to read a book.

Let's look at some govt statistics.
crime.jpg

82% of the UK population is white. 78% of arrests are white people. Whites account for 80% of prosecutions and 81% of convictions. 79% of people who go to prison are white, 73% of the current prison population are white. That last one might be a problem, but then again it does not say how many people are repeat offenders, and for those that are, to what extent.

Stop and search is at 59% for whites. This seems to be the area where there's most cause for concern. But then again, the population of whites in London, where most stop and searches happen, is 45%, well below the national average. So there's that to take into account.

From what I can gather, it's inconclusive. There is no evidence of institutional racism, just figures which are taken out of context, either for the sake of simplicity, or because of deliberate manipulation. To conclude the police are racist on such evidence is knee jerk. You've already decided they are, and so will take the figures at face value without thinking about how they have been presented.

[Poopadoop]

Let's look at some govt statistics.
crime.jpg

You're presenting objective evidence against your position and trying to explain why we shouldn't believe it. You've gone from denial to gaslighting.

In 2011, 87% of the pop. was white. Let's say in 2018 it had gone down a few pct.. You say it's 82% now. Fine. The proportion white in every single one of those categories is < 82%, often much less.

But never mind that, just look at the stop and searches. That's where the police are working without any obvious supervision or balances in the system, before any arrests are made. That's 59% White to 41% BAME. It's obviously a problem.

... will take the figures at face value without thinking about how they have been presented.

The figures are what they are, there's nothing anyone can do to present them as different numbers.

[OngBonga]

The proportion white in every single one of those categories is < 82%, often much less.

Only the stop and search was "much" less. The prison population was notable, but not alarming without further context. The other figures roughly correlate with the national average. I'm not gonna sweat over a few percentage points, especially given that these numbers are not broken down into region.

[OngBonga]

White people in Birmingham - 68%
Manchester - 67%

So the two biggest cities after London are also well below national average, though not on the same level as London. But there's a pattern here... bigger cities have a higher black population than average, and this is also where the bulk of police activity is, especially stop and search, and traffic cops. So it comes as no surprise to me that the numbers are not a direct correlation.

It doesn't have to be racism, it can simply be caused by urban vs rural factors.