*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[OngBonga]

As for the "worse outcomes in life" of black people...

[Poopadoop]

As for the "worse outcomes in life" of black people...

I don't think she understands what the problem is. They're not asking for handouts, they're asking to be treated as equals.

[OngBonga]

I don't think she understands what the problem is. They're not asking for handouts, they're asking to be treated as equals.

I think the point she's making is that she is treated as an equal, and that's because of the decisions she has made in her life. She's trying to tell black people that they all have that power. You want to be treated as an equal? Stop taking on board the message that you're not an equal then.

[MadMojoMonkey]

As for the "worse outcomes in life" of black people...

You'd think someone who we can only assume understands what sexism in society is wouldn't be such a disingenuous witness to the ways society does the exact same things to black people.


This is not conjecture, this is a confession.
(Confession at 2:23)




Those laws are still on the books. That's why they were written. The arguments put forward that got them passed were bold-faced lies as admitted by the people who made those arguments.

How anyone can argue that what's happened to black people is accidental, or incidental, or not systemic just doesn't hold water.

[OngBonga]

How anyone can argue that what's happened to black people is accidental, or incidental, or not systemic just doesn't hold water.

She's arguing that a large part of the problem is black culture. When people are constantly told they are victims, they start to believe it, and behave differently to those who don't have that mentality. They start to blame other people, the system, for their life choices.

I don't think she's oblivious to the systematic problems black people face. What she's doing is trying to tell black people that they have the power to change their lives, that they shouldn't wait for the oppressors to make the changes for them. You can argue that what we're seeing is an attempt to enforce change, but really the only power an individual has it to make personal life choices that change your own life.

The system does not stop black people from being successful. Perhaps black people do have more obstacles than white people, but tearing down monuments and alienating white people is not the way to go about removing those obstacles. She removed those obstacles by moving out of the hood and being a law abiding citizen. I'm sure she does still experience racism, but she refuses to accept that she is a victim. Good for her. If every black person had her attitude, then we'd see progress.

[oskar]

The system does not stop black people from being successful. Perhaps black people do have more obstacles than white people, but tearing down monuments and alienating white people is not the way to go about removing those obstacles. She removed those obstacles by moving out of the hood and being a law abiding citizen. I'm sure she does still experience racism, but she refuses to accept that she is a victim. Good for her. If every black person had her attitude, then we'd see progress.

I'm sure I've made this analogy before but what if we both got a group of 100 noobs to play poker. Both groups get the same prep talk, the same starting hand sheet and a friendly slap on the butt, but my group starts off with $200 and your group starts off with $10. This would be representative of the net worth different of white and black families in the US. Which group do you think does better. Would you think it's fair to say that if the $10 group does worse it would have been up to them to do better since it's possible to build a roll from $10?

Yes, a lot of black people do great in life. It's possible that individuals succeed. That was never the point and proves nothing. Nobody complained that individuals can't succeed.

[OngBonga]

I'm sure I've made this analogy before but what if we both got a group of 100 noobs to play poker. Both groups get the same prep talk, the same starting hand sheet and a friendly slap on the butt, but my group starts off with $200 and your group starts off with $10. This would be representative of the net worth different of white and black families in the US. Which group do you think does better. Would you think it's fair to say that if the $10 group does worse it would have been up to them to do better since it's possible to build a roll from $10?

Yes, a lot of black people do great in life. It's possible that individuals succeed. That was never the point and proves nothing. Nobody complained that individuals can't succeed.

IRL, I started off in the $10 group, and failed to build a roll. I don't blame the system for that, my failures in life are mine. I could've done better in life if I applied myself. That is true of nearly everyone in the western world who doesn't "succeed" in life.

Here in the UK, a lot of our doctors are Indian or Pakistani. Some of these were lucky and born into rich Indian families, others were born to parents who devoted their lives to their kids' education in the hope they would succeed.

It's kind of natural that black people will be overrepresented in your $10 poker group. White families are, on average more financially established, black people tend to be second or third generation immigrants or whatever, they do not have the benefit of century-long established family links to their area. This makes a difference. Is it fair? No, but life isn't fair, it can never be fair to everyone. I got dealt a shit hand, but hey I'm in the UK, it could've been worse. There's worse places to be than USA, like most of the fucking world. Even for a black person in a system that is rigged, USA is better than China, India, Brazil, Russia, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Nigeria... that's over half the world's population right there. At least men can be gay in USA. At least you can marry who you want. At least you get welfare. At least you don't live in a slum.

For the majority of people in our countries, regardless of skin colour, if you apply yourself you will succeed in life. And if you don't, it's still better than being in a Brazilian slum or a war torn shithole.

[OngBonga]

I think most people think BLM means fair treatment to everyone, and that's why they support it. At least that's why I support it.

I support "fair treatment for everyone". And I agree that most people think BLM is trying to achieve this goal. But that's because people aren't paying attention.

They want to bring down capitalism, too. I appreciate people like oskar are on board with that, but I'm not, and I doubt you are. It's ironic, because BLM are getting a large amount of funding from companies who BLM would like to destroy.

There is a great deal more to this than "equality". Maybe "supremacy" is pushing the boat out a bit too far, but this isn't just about the system treating black people as equals. It's also about overthrowing the economic system that gives all of us opportunity, including black people.

[Poopadoop]

They want to bring down capitalism, too.

That's just you saying that though without evidence. Defunding the police is not the end of capitalism.

[OngBonga]

That's just you saying that though without evidence. Defunding the police is not the end of capitalism.

Evidence please.

[oskar]

You'd think someone who we can only assume understands what sexism in society is wouldn't be such a disingenuous witness to the ways society does the exact same things to black people.


This is not conjecture, this is a confession.
(Confession at 2:23)




Those laws are still on the books. That's why they were written. The arguments put forward that got them passed were bold-faced lies as admitted by the people who made those arguments.

How anyone can argue that what's happened to black people is accidental, or incidental, or not systemic just doesn't hold water.

Here's Biden's new and improved take on the subject: https://twitter.com/nasescobar316/st...159160321?s=20
Here's the full facebook video, but I don't have a timestamp. Around 23min. he talks about the crime bill. Watchinging this now, I 100% stand by my prediction that Biden shits the bed and Bernie takes the nomination. Absolutely incomprehensible to me how dems went out of their way to go to the polls to vote for this pile of garbage.
https://www.facebook.com/ABCNewsLive...26595727857604

[Poopadoop]

I 100% stand by my prediction that Biden shits the bed and Bernie takes the nomination.

He could shit the bed, the sofa and the kitchen sink and he'll still get the nomination.

Absolutely incomprehensible to me how dems went out of their way to go to the polls to vote for this pile of garbage.

I suppose 'cause they were afraid Bernie would somehow lose to Trump, and after the election happens they don't care if they have a senile geezer in charge, as long as they win.

Also, Bernie is a COMMUNIST, what with all his fancy sociliazed health care and free college ideas.

[OngBonga]

They're not afraid Bernie will lose to Trump, they're afraid he'll win. It's like Labour and Corbyn, only in USA. Good chance Bernie isn't one of "them".