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    So you think it's ok to ask foreign governments to investigate your political opponents in a presidential election in exchange for foreign aid or policy?
    Or do you think this is a mischaracterization of what is happening? If so: what do you think is happening?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    So you think it's ok to ask foreign governments to investigate your political opponents in a presidential election in exchange for taxpayer appointed foreign aid or policy?
    FYP

    The money he withheld was tax money appointed by Congress to go to Ukraine, our ally.

    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Or do you think this is a mischaracterization of what is happening? If so: what do you think is happening?
    I'm very curious what an intelligent Republican voter thinks of this, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    I'm very curious what an intelligent Republican voter thinks of this, too.
    Me too... Now we just have to find one!
    Last edited by oskar; 10-08-2019 at 05:01 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    So you think it's ok to ask foreign governments to investigate your political opponents in a presidential election in exchange for foreign aid or policy?
    Or do you think this is a mischaracterization of what is happening? If so: what do you think is happening?
    I haven't looked into the details because this is one pickle slice in a long line of throwing every pickle slice against the window to see what sticks.

    If it's legitimate this time, then hopefully it will turn into something more. Otherwise I'm looking forward to seeing how many more pickles they launch at the window.
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    I have a co-worker who's an over-enthusiastic muslim. I successfully avoided him for a while, but he finally catches me and rattles down Thomas of Aquinas' arguments for the existence of god. I point out to him that those are Thomas of Aquinas' arguments for the existence of god and that they're not as fresh as he believes them to be - being reasonably proud of myself for remembering the name Thomas of Aquinas. Then he comes at me with the fine-tuned universe argument. I explain how the anthropic principle does away with that, now wallowing in self-satisfaction for remembering the anthropic principle. He agrees that I have made a good point and we go on our way.
    A couple months later he makes the same point, and I tell him we've had the exact same conversation a while back, and I write "the anthropic principle" on a piece of paper and tell him to look it up.
    Yesterday I overheard him ask someone else about the fine-tuned universe. I don't think he's being deliberately obtuse, I think he's incapable of absorbing information that clashes with his core belief system, and to a pretty ridiculous degree at that.

    It's interesting how that works... I don't know how that works, but it seems to be a very human thing to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    I don't think he's being deliberately obtuse, I think he's incapable of absorbing information that clashes with his core belief system, and to a pretty ridiculous degree at that.

    It's interesting how that works... I don't know how that works, but it seems to be a very human thing to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post

    It's interesting how that works... I don't know how that works, but it seems to be a very human thing to do.
    Extremely. If the input isn't one of the 6 principles of persuasion, their mind usually will stay the same.

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