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[OngBonga]

Are you saying they just made those up? Not impossible but then what are the real figures?

I'm not saying it's made up any more than you're saying these fishermen are liars. If fishing is going up, then it's not in decline, and there's no problem.So why is fishing in decline, and why do we have a problem?

Another question might be who will buy our fish with a 20% tariff?

British people. We eat a lot of fish.

If we left the EU it wouldn’t necessarily mean that the situation would improve.

I don't think anyone pretends to be certain things will improve. How can anyone know? People are just willing to take the risk. 52% of people, in fact.

[Poopadoop]

I'm not saying it's made up any more than you're saying these fishermen are liars. If fishing is going up, then it's not in decline, and there's no problem.So why is fishing in decline, and why do we have a problem?

Overfishing is the simplest explanation. see link posted by jack.

British people. We eat a lot of fish.

People don't suddenly start stuffing themselves with certain foods because their country can no longer export it due to tariffs. They might eat more if the price goes down (a price drop which is bad for fishermen) due to lack of trade, but in aggregate that won't make the fishermen better off. Catch more fish and sell it cheaper is not a solution.

I don't think anyone pretends to be certain things will improve.

Certain enough to support Brexit though, that's the problem.

Here's some idea of how complicated the single issue of fishing is re: Brexit. Best case scenario is we get a trade deal similar to one we have now, which seems pretty unlikely given we'd be giving them two fingers up. Worst is we get treated like every other riff raff country. How many of those well-informed protesters and/or Leavers read this report I wonder (or an analogous report, assuming one exists, for NE England)? Of the ones who did, how many had the level of intelligence/training to understand it? It's pretty dense and complicated.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/ec...-exit/pages/6/

[Poopadoop]

Well, that's interesting. They don't like the quotas but they like the free trade. Sounds like they want to have their cake and eat it too.

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/n...seafood-736984

[Poopadoop]

This whole nostalgia for fishing in Grimsby strikes me as similar to the nostalgia for the glory days of coal in West Virginia. While I'm sympathetic to people losing employment opportunities because times have changed and missing the good old days, they have to understand that we can't just turn back the clock and make everything better. They might have to go find something else to do.

[OngBonga]

I missed your post above when I replied to Jack, I was about to go out.

Overfishing is the simplest explanation. see link posted by jack.

Overfishing is not the reason why you allow somebody else to fish particular waters. That doesn't make sense.

People don't suddenly start stuffing themselves with certain foods because their country can no longer export it due to tariffs.

We eat a lot of fish. I don't know how much we export, and who to, but tariffs are something we can negotiate after we leave. Maybe New Zealand will buy our fish and we'll buy their lamb. I have no idea, that's for when we actually leave. That's not a choice we made, we literally cannot negotiate these things until we leave.

Certain enough to support Brexit though, that's the problem.

You're the one who thinks leaving the EU is a problem. I don't. I agree it's a clusterfuck, but it's not a problem until it is clear that we are worse off. That won't be clear for a long time, there are still many obstacles to overcome, such as trade deals with other countries.

Best case scenario is we get a trade deal similar to one we have now, which seems pretty unlikely given we'd be giving them two fingers up. Worst is we get treated like every other riff raff country.

Your focus here is the EU. That's your problem, it's like you think they're the only people we can trade with. If we get a similar trade deal while not being politically integrated into their superstate, that's great,perhaps even optimal. If they treat us like riff-raff, fuck them. Hello USA, hello New Zealand and Australia, hello China.

[Poopadoop]

Your focus here is the EU. That's your problem, it's like you think they're the only people we can trade with. If we get a similar trade deal while not being politically integrated into their superstate, that's great,perhaps even optimal. If they treat us like riff-raff, fuck them. Hello USA, hello New Zealand and Australia, hello China.

Yeah I'm sure all these countries are just hoping we'll leave the EU so they can have our fish all to themselves. You think the moment we lose one market we gain another? It doesn't work that way.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...-imported.html

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...theres-a-catch


They're unlikely to give us a good deal if we leave the EU. They won't even give Norway a good deal and it's in the EEA.

Also, the actual source I cited took into account our ability to trade with other countries. It's not like they're fucking clueless . If you actually scanned over the report you'd realise they know more about it than you or me.

And oh yea, the fishing industry isn't just about some hardasses on a boat. There's also processing, which is heavily invested in the EU.

https://publications.parliament.uk/p...om/78/7811.htm

[Poopadoop]

We eat a lot of fish. I don't know how much we export, and who to, but tariffs are something we can negotiate after we leave.

I've learned more in a half hour of scanning links than you ever knew about the whole question.

Glad you've done the research to back up your opinion.

What exactly are your reasons for backing Brexit? I mean specifically, not just vague things about 'fishermen protesting' and 'superstate' and 'imperial army' shit. What good do you expect to come from it?