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[OngBonga]

Yep. We do too. But we're pretty much the only country in Europe that isn't heavily reliant on Russian gas.

I mean the point of NATO is to say "Russia is our enemy and needs its power to be countered". So why would a NATO member state buy such a critical resource off their de facto enemy?

Either Germany (and others) are stupid, or NATO is redundant and should be abolished. I actually subscribe to the latter, it creates more problems than it solves. Replace it with a bloc that involves Russia.

[Poopadoop]

Yep. We do too.
But we're pretty much the only country in Europe that isn't heavily reliant on Russian gas.

Where do you suggest Europe should get its gas from? Should they pay extra to have to liquefied and shipped in from overseas? There simply is no good reason short of war or sanctions not to buy it from the cheapest source.

And it's not Trump's place to publicly scold other countries on how they do trade, unless it's breaking some agreement with the U.S. Since it's not, it's up to those countries to decide where to buy their fucking gas. They've obviously considered the issue that it's dangerous to buy it from Russia because Russia might one day go to war and cut it off, and decided it's worth the risk. And that's their internal business to decide for themselves, not Trump's. If he does want to make a suggestion in private that's fine. But being a dick to your allies in front of the world is not a smart move - they're your fucking allies, why treat them worse than your enemies.

Importing goods from a potential enemy is also arguably a good way to keep them at peace. If they go to war, they lose the sales.

I mean the point of NATO is to say "Russia is our enemy and needs its power to be countered".

That's not the "point" of NATO. The whole idea behind NATO is its members share certain ideological principles such as democracy and freedom from tyranny, and are only committed to support each other in defensive wars. It's point is not to try to ruin countries that aren't its members, or refuse trade with them.

Either Germany (and others) are stupid, or NATO is redundant and should be abolished.

No single current member of NATO is stronger with it than outside of it, so not sure what it's meant to be redundant with. It's basically just a nice insurance policy.

I actually subscribe to the latter, it creates more problems than it solves. Replace it with a bloc that involves Russia.

Who is NATO creating problems for? Russia does not fit into the mold of a democracy, unfortunately. You might as well argue NATO should be replaced with a bloc that includes N. Korea, Iran, and China.