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  1. #1
    This whole argument is somewhat silly. Oskar seems to have picked "fitness = ability to reproduce" as the hill to die on. However I really don't see anything in wuf's statements that disagrees with that.

    If I understand wuf correctly, he's simply saying that there are biological/evolutionary benefits when people identify with a particular race/ethnicity that is different from someone else's race/ethnicity. Those benefits can be amplified if people organize themselves into societies and systems of ideas along those ethnic lines.

    wuf was also clear to state that too much of this is just as bad as none of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    This whole argument is somewhat silly. Oskar seems to have picked "fitness = ability to reproduce" as the hill to die on. However I really don't see anything in wuf's statements that disagrees with that.
    Biologically speaking it quite literally is the hill to die on.
    The part that disagrees with that is when he said that a population that has proven it's fitness by virtue of existing, will turn out to be less fit in future generations, because ???
    The strengh of a hero is defined by the weakness of his villains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Biologically speaking it quite literally is the hill to die on.
    The part that disagrees with that is when he said that a population that has proven it's fitness by virtue of existing, will turn out to be less fit in future generations, because ???
    It's because of a shock.

    This is one of the main ideas in Taleb's Incerto. Shocks happen. If the system is fragile to that shock, then ruin happens. How does a system become fragile to that shock? One way is by not have differentiated enough subsystems of that system. For example, if humans exist only on Earth, the system of humankind is fragile to extinction events like large asteroids landing on Earth. But if humans are differentiated enough, like they live on Mars and some Jupiter moons and in space habitats, then the system of humankind is not fragile to the same shock.
    Last edited by wufwugy; 03-26-2018 at 10:54 PM.
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    The Cold War's potential to have turned hot and ignited mass extinction may be a good example of the type of event in a fat tailed distribution in the system of chemistry. After a hundred or so years of chemistry from its inception, it might make sense to say "hey look at all this amazing stuff we have because of chemistry." Yet it also might be correct that billions of other species across the Universe said the same thing before they blew themselves up generations later.
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    lolo

  6. #6
    That happened to me just yesterday, only it's missing the part where the cop made me swear to Allah I would let the arab kid down the street sleep with my daughter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    That happened to me just yesterday, only it's missing the part where the cop made me swear to Allah I would let the arab kid down the street sleep with my daughter.
    You did make up a story. Why are you moaning at me for doing exactly what you did?
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    ongies gonna ong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    That happened to me just yesterday, only it's missing the part where the cop made me swear to Allah I would let the arab kid down the street sleep with my daughter.
    Sounds legit.

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