*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[wufwugy]

While I do agree that the base ideology of using government coercion to organize society is the root from which both of the western left/progressivism and communism/fascism emerge, proponents don't see it that way.

[BananaStand]

While I do agree that the base ideology of using government coercion to organize society is the root from which both of the western left/progressivism and communism/fascism emerge, proponents don't see it that way.

The proponents only see it one of two ways.....either they are the puppet masters, and see that as a means to control a population, secure a voting base, and leverage it to maintain power.

or...

they are the puppets...duped into a sense of entitlement and perception of injustice/unfairness that can only be rectified by government.

No one has ever been un-brainwashed through an "adult exchange of ideas in honest appreciation of each other". The only way to change hearts and minds is for the hypocrisy to be laid bare, in plain, but sometimes crass, terms. The failings of intelligence must be highlighted in ways that sometimes shame the stupid. Human instincts of self-preservation will kick in and reason will override the brainwash-induced ideology.

Dems ended the government shutdown today out of embarrassment....not as a result of a healthy, productive, respectful debate. Their position was laid out, in plain english, for the American people to interpret.

Dems are not paying soldiers because they want free shit for illegals.

Explaining it like that makes their position indefensible. And they were caught defending the indefensible.

[spoonitnow]

While I do agree that the base ideology of using government coercion to organize society is the root from which both of the western left/progressivism and communism/fascism emerge, proponents don't see it that way.

Yeah well, there are a lot of super basic things they don't understand, and that's a large part of where the zombie analogy comes from.

The rest of that sentence is redundant, right?

I have empathy for you because I think your heart is in the right place. As for what gets you off-track, I think your kindness is being taken advantage of and that you're a bit naive due to limited experience in the world.

Yeah (obvious, actually, which is why my comment amuses me), but I no longer respect the commune as a place where adults exchange ideas in honest appreciation of each other, so I'm not interested in characterizing spoon as a whole individual, just as a caricature of something he isn't...

That's what we do here, now, isn't it?

I wasn't under the impression that it was ever that. This ties into what I was mentioning earlier about your seemingly Pollyanna tendencies that get taken advantage of.

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2018/01/...roup-says.html

COLLUSION!!!!!!!

That's how the news cycle goes:

1. Mah Russia
2. Thing A happens
3. Mah Russia was behind A
4. Thing B happens
5. Mah Russia was behind B
6. Nothing happens for a while
7. Mah Russia

Repeat.

[Poopadoop]

I wasn't under the impression that it was ever that. This ties into what I was mentioning earlier about your seemingly Pollyanna tendencies that get taken advantage of.

Were you reading it before you arrived? How about before Banana arrived?

The thing with you two is you seem more interested in insulting and shouting down people who don't share your views than in trying to persuade them with any reasoned arguments the way Wuf and everyone else does. If your aim is to turn this forum into a right-wing echo chamber then you've pretty much won by sheer volume of posts alone.

As far as empathy goes, why should anyone here care if you're a nice person IRL or not? You choose to respond to every post from 'the other side' here by including some ad hominen argument about the person who made it. The response quoted above is just one of dozens of example of that. Being a douche is being a douche; just because you may limit it to one particular corner of the internet doesn't change the fact you're being a douche.

The problem for you guys is, no-one really cares if you think highly of them or not based on your own personal worldview. They just shrug and think 'Well, there's another obnoxious person on the internet I'm better off ignoring.' In the end all you accomplish is to make yourself look like a douche. Ok, well done I guess.

[spoonitnow]

Were you reading it before you arrived? How about before Banana arrived?

The thing with you two is you seem more interested in insulting and shouting down people who don't share your views than in trying to persuade them with any reasoned arguments the way Wuf and everyone else does. If your aim is to turn this forum into a right-wing echo chamber then you've pretty much won by sheer volume of posts alone.

As far as empathy goes, why should anyone here care if you're a nice person IRL or not? You choose to respond to every post from 'the other side' here by including some ad hominen argument about the person who made it. The response quoted above is just one of dozens of example of that. Being a douche is being a douche; just because you may limit it to one particular corner of the internet doesn't change the fact you're being a douche.

The problem for you guys is, no-one really cares if you think highly of them or not based on your own personal worldview. They just shrug and think 'Well, there's another obnoxious person on the internet I'm better off ignoring.' In the end all you accomplish is to make yourself look like a douche. Ok, well done I guess.

TRIGGERED

[wufwugy]

[Poopadoop]

TRIGGERED

Confirmed douche. Mission accomplished.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Confirmed douche. Mission accomplished.

Spoon and I go back a few years. I'm not bothered by him, and don't think I ever really was.
It's hard to actually get insulted by someone whom you don't remotely respect.*

You gotta know that he is a master wordsmith, and he's got a knack for saying just the right thing to trigger one person while making someone else grin.

Basically, his responses are tailored to the site and the person he's responding to so well that it can be hard to immediately see that everything he writes is a pun on a grand scale.

I know that if you let him insult you for a year or so more, you'll start to see through it to the superhero underneath.

*Oh, mother of turds! He's slowing winning my respect so he can break through my insult-proof shield and truly shred me!

Curse you, spooooooon!

[Poopadoop]

It's hard to actually get insulted by someone whom you don't remotely respect.

Respect is a two-way street mate. If you're getting it but you're not giving it, then you're doing it wrong.

[spoonitnow]

Well now that MadMojoMonkey is done jerking me off, I guess I'll actually read your post here and give a response.

Were you reading it before you arrived? How about before Banana arrived?

I've been here almost 12 and a half years. The commune has always been about a bunch of poker players talking shit and carrying on. If you take it any more seriously than that, then you're doing it wrong.

The thing with you two is you seem more interested in insulting and shouting down people who don't share your views than in trying to persuade them with any reasoned arguments the way Wuf and everyone else does. If your aim is to turn this forum into a right-wing echo chamber then you've pretty much won by sheer volume of posts alone.

I'd say this is a weakness of wufwugy's, and I can certainly say that he's taken significant strides in shoring it up inside of the past 18 months. Your entire position is an emotional one, so reasoned arguments are useless.

As far as empathy goes, why should anyone here care if you're a nice person IRL or not? You choose to respond to every post from 'the other side' here by including some ad hominen argument about the person who made it. The response quoted above is just one of dozens of example of that. Being a douche is being a douche; just because you may limit it to one particular corner of the internet doesn't change the fact you're being a douche.

They shouldn't care if I'm a nice person IRL or not. I'm not a nice person IRL anyway. I've never claimed to be. Moreover, giving a shit about whether someone else is nice or not is some real Bernie Sanders-level cuck shit.

And you've called me 2x-3x more names than I've ever called you. To be fair, I understand why: It's because I don't respond to any of the other list of standard liberal tactics you've tried to go through.

The problem for you guys is, no-one really cares if you think highly of them or not based on your own personal worldview. They just shrug and think 'Well, there's another obnoxious person on the internet I'm better off ignoring.' In the end all you accomplish is to make yourself look like a douche. Ok, well done I guess.

I'm not sure how that's a problem for me.

If you want to summarize the whole thing, it's this: You have this idea of certain virtues like being nice, being fair, being equal, not offending anyone and being a victim. Your worldview centers around wishing those virtues were the most important things in reality. I don't pretend that they are, and you don't know how to handle that inside of your worldview because I don't respond to the typical tools that people like you want to use to keep people in line. That's when you throw your hands up and say, "He's just a douche!"

[wufwugy]

I'd say this is a weakness of wufwugy's, and I can certainly say that he's taken significant strides in shoring it up inside of the past 18 months. Your entire position is an emotional one, so reasoned arguments are useless.

What is the weakness?

[spoonitnow]

What is the weakness?

Trying to use logic and reasonable discussion instead of memes and bullying.

Also, I added a couple of edits to the above.

[wufwugy]

Your worldview centers around wishing those virtues were the most important things in reality.

I had a real problem with this during the primary of Titanium Ted vs. El Blumpfo, or more like after Trump won.

It took me maybe two months to get over it. There was some base to it, like I was always going to support the Republican in the general election no matter what since in my estimation there is a zero percent chance of increasing individual freedom by a Democrat administration (except by accident).

But the more active factors were that I told myself that I wanted to learn how such a dickface as Trump could convince so many people he was the bees knees. So I sought out explanations. Mainly I read Scott Adams and The_Donald for a few months. Adams made some highly factual and logical points that made me see things differently, and some of the funny memery at T_D softened me up. Nobody on the internet laughs at themselves as well as the Trump people. We all know Trump is ridiculous.

So, I say to anytime somebody wants to develop, the key is to actively admit openness to it in the first place, and to expose the self to the community and apologetics of the counter view.

[Poopadoop]

I had a real problem with this during the primary of Titanium Ted vs. El Blumpfo, or more like after Trump won.

It took me maybe two months to get over it. There was some base to it, like I was always going to support the Republican in the general election no matter what since in my estimation there is a zero percent chance of increasing individual freedom by a Democrat administration (except by accident).

But the more active factors were that I told myself that I wanted to learn how such a dickface as Trump could convince so many people he was the bees knees. So I sought out explanations. Mainly I read Scott Adams and The_Donald for a few months. Adams made some highly factual and logical points that made me see things differently, and some of the funny memery at T_D softened me up. Nobody on the internet laughs at themselves as well as the Trump people. We all know Trump is ridiculous.

So, I say to anytime somebody wants to develop, the key is to actively admit openness to it in the first place, and to expose the self to the community and apologetics of the counter view.

The bolded right here pretty much explains what went on in your head imo. The rest is just the logical conclusion of that process.

[Poopadoop]

Well now that MadMojoMonkey is done jerking me off, I guess I'll actually read your post here and give a response.

Ya it is a bit sad that he shows you all kinds of respect in an attempt to get some of it back. And you just keep pulling the football away Lucy-style and he keeps wanting to think someday you'll stop.

I've been here almost 12 and a half years. The commune has always been about a bunch of poker players talking shit and carrying on. If you take it any more seriously than that, then you're doing it wrong.

Talking shit and expressing views with little to back them up is one thing. You and your buddy banana aren't doing that; you're just abusing everyone who disagrees with you. Big difference.

I'd say this is a weakness of wufwugy's, and I can certainly say that he's taken significant strides in shoring it up inside of the past 18 months.

YOU would say that, most other people just see it as someone who's got some decency.

Your entire position is an emotional one, so reasoned arguments are useless.

So you can't reason with someone who doesn't think the way you do because in your mind they aren't thinking clearly, but are just going on emotions. Because if they were being reasonable they would agree with whatever you say. Sorry but that seems a wee bit arrogant.

They shouldn't care if I'm a nice person IRL or not. I'm not a nice person IRL anyway. I've never claimed to be. Moreover, giving a shit about whether someone else is nice or not is some real Bernie Sanders-level cuck shit.

Kinda not really the point. Society has norms for how decent people talk to each other. You don't have to accept those norms, but if you ignore those norms then you can't get butthurt when people call you a douche.

And you've called me 2x-3x more names than I've ever called you.

Being subtle with how you insult people doesn't change the fact that you're doing it; it just gives you an out to make nonsense arguments like this. I guess you feel that makes you clever in a kind of lawyerly way where you can point out the times you've been directly called a name, whereas all of your insults have been indirect and therefore you can claim they weren't aimed at anyone in particular, when everyone can see they really were. Lol, what a way to spend your energy.

Ok, I guess you just get put on the ignore list then until you actually have something worth contributing to the discussion. Glad it doesn't bother you.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Ya it is a bit sad that he shows you all kinds of respect in an attempt to get some of it back. And you just keep pulling the football away Lucy-style and he keeps wanting to think someday you'll stop.

You got me all wrong, here.
I've only showed him exactly 1 kind of respect*, and it's only to help you understand his and my history and to put your response in context.

IDGAF one bit whether or not he respects me. I'm slightly amused to find that I have a form of respect for him... mostly in a "who'd'a thunk it!" kind of way.

I don't "want" anything for or from spoon aside from his continued professional attitude toward modding on this forum.

I'm joking around quite a lot in these posts. I assume those who know me know my tone neither includes the word cuck in any context, nor does it use the word awesome without sarcasm when talking about spoon's ego.


*IDK what that means, but it sounded cool. That's what we do here, right?