*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[spoonitnow]

This one really irks me. Because it's not like the the electoral map was unwinnable for Hillary.

Trump won Wisconsin, but Hillary won the county (precint? district? w/e) of Milwaukee. However, she won that county by less votes than Obama did in 2012. I forget the number of votes, but let's call it X. She lost the state of Wisconsin by exactly X votes after spending 0 campaign days in that state.

In other words, had she put time and resources into winning that state, she could have. All she had to do was hit a turnout target achieved by her predecessor in one measly city. She failed. Not only failed, but didn't even try. And as a result, she lost that state.

Political malpractice. But somehow, the narrative is that she got robbed. WTF???

It's yet another example of the same thing. They do not understand personal responsibility. Everything is always someone else's fault, even if they have to blame the rules themselves.

They think that personal responsibility is some farce is something those "in power" or "privileged" have tricked people into believing in. It's why they make fun of poor white people for voting "against their interests." There's a simple disconnect in understanding that cannot be cured once it gets past a certain point.

This is why their social capital has become who can be the biggest victim. For a particularly fun example, it's why you have people like the ginger kid Shaun King playing a black man who rides the trans-racial train and says stupid shit like "Ungrateful is the new nigger," (source) in response to Trump saving some basketball players' collective asses after they did stupid shit like shoplifting in China of all fucking places.

There was zero focus on the responsibility of those players to not do stupid shit. They were victims.

So they will check off every box they can to make themselves stand out as a special snowflake since it's a competition to see who can be the biggest victim since that's the source of virtue and social capital that they've developed for themselves. The more "unique" and "non-standard" they are and the more minority groups they can insert themselves into (or outright create, which is where the 50+ gender pronouns thing comes from), then the bigger the victim they can portray and the better they can feel about themselves.

This is why the worst thing you can be in their eyes is a straight, white, cis-gendered male. You get zero victim points for that.

Meanwhile, you have people who refuse to have a victim mentality who actually bust their asses to get shit done so that these dipshits can think they deserve a piece of the rewards of doing so.

Edit: Added link to source.

[Poopadoop]

When your reaction to the message is to attack the messenger, it highlights just how weak you are as an interlocutor.

When the liberal media goes ape-shit over practically every Trump tweet or comment, whether it's bad, so-so, or neutral, they effectively turn themselves into mindless propaganda machines. Similarly, when Hannity or whoever on Fox and Friends spins practically every Trump move as a triumph regardless of it being good or bad, they're doing the same thing for the other side. Anyone can see this, but yet you still take what you see on Fox as 'fact' and what gets told on the other side as 'fake news'. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the truth lies somewhere in-between?

More generally, I'm curious to know if you could provide some arguments as to what Trump's actually been doing that you think is constructive. And I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely curious: What is he doing right in your minds? Let's talk about his good points.

[spoonitnow]

Here's another good example, for BananaStand and everyone else.

When your reaction to the message is to attack the messenger, it highlights just how weak you are as an interlocutor.

The first thing he has to do is establish himself as the victim (ie: I'm being attacked). That's their first reaction to everything because they don't understand anything else.

When the liberal media goes ape-shit over practically every Trump tweet or comment, whether it's bad, so-so, or neutral, they effectively turn themselves into mindless propaganda machines. Similarly, when Hannity or whoever on Fox and Friends spins practically every Trump move as a triumph regardless of it being good or bad, they're doing the same thing for the other side. Anyone can see this, but yet you still take what you see on Fox as 'fact' and what gets told on the other side as 'fake news'. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the truth lies somewhere in-between?

Now he wants to go down his little list of talking points he was told to use, whether he realizes it or not, and doing things like assuming anyone gives a shit about Fox, Hannity or anything that he has to say in general.

More generally, I'm curious to know if you could provide some arguments as to what Trump's actually been doing that you think is constructive. And I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely curious: What is he doing right in your minds? Let's talk about his good points.

And finally, he wants to try to put on a front of being reasonable and wanting to have an actual conversation. However, as we can see from his history, this is the last thing that he wants. Any point that is brought up will not be understood in the context of reason and personal responsibility. It will all be about the victim points tally and how people feel, both of which are useless in the realm of people who actually get shit done.

They are zombies, and there is no cure.

[Poopadoop]

blah blah blah more ad hominen garbage.

Well done, thanks for making my point better than I ever could.

[spoonitnow]

Well done, thanks for making my point better than I ever could.

Again, the first thing he does is jump to being a victim. He cannot understand that it's not about him as a person, because then it would rob him of the ability to get victim points; it's about his affliction.

[oskar]

And finally, he wants to try to put on a front of being reasonable and wanting to have an actual conversation. However, as we can see from his history, this is the last thing that he wants. Any point that is brought up will not be understood in the context of reason and personal responsibility. It will all be about the victim points tally and how people feel, both of which are useless in the realm of people who actually get shit done.

They are zombies, and there is no cure.

It is hilarious how well that describes you. Any point that you are being poked on immediately turns either into ad-hominem or you go off on non-sequitur's. This response is a great example. He asked a super straight forward question that even I could answer, and yet you choose to go off on this tirade, because it's much easier than answering the question. Your mind is the path of least resistance exemplified.

[Poopadoop]

It is hilarious how well that describes you. Any point that you are being poked on immediately turns either into ad-hominem or you go off on non-sequitur's. This response is a great example. He asked a super straight forward question that even I could answer, and yet you choose to go off on this tirade, because it's much easier than answering the question. Your mind is the path of least resistance exemplified.

Geez how did you actually get this far? I generally skip to the next post as soon as he goes off topic.

[oskar]

Geez how did you actually get this far? I generally skip to the next post as soon as he goes off topic.

It's like a train crashing into a dumpster fire. You kind of have to stop and watch.

[Poopadoop]

It's like a train crashing into a dumpster fire. You kind of have to stop and watch.

Now he's started some cuckposting thread that only he and possibly banana will ever visit. Lol, what a 'tard.

[spoonitnow]

In 2017, the record was set for the most record-high days for the stock market in a calendar year. #winning #maga #trump2020

[spoonitnow]

Kentucky to add Medicaid work requirement; first state to follow Trump plan

http://archive.is/menYm#selection-1215.0-1215.75

Kentucky received the green light Friday to require many of its Medicaid recipients to work in order to receive coverage.

The Bluegrass State thus becomes the first state to act on the Trump administration’s unprecedented change that could affect millions of low-income people receiving benefits.

Under the new rule, adults age 19 to 64 must complete 80 hours of "community engagement" per month to keep their care. That includes working a job, going to school, taking a job-training course or volunteering.

[BananaStand]

When your reaction to the message is to attack the messenger, it highlights just how weak you are as an interlocutor.

No, when your message is retarded garbage, calling you a purveyor of retarded garbage is apt. And there really is no other way to describe your "trump is dumb" drumbeat other than to call it retarded garbage.

When the liberal media goes ape-shit over practically every Trump tweet or comment, whether it's bad, so-so, or neutral, they effectively turn themselves into mindless propaganda machines. Similarly, when Hannity or whoever on Fox and Friends spins practically every Trump move as a triumph regardless of it being good or bad, they're doing the same thing for the other side. Anyone can see this, but yet you still take what you see on Fox as 'fact' and what gets told on the other side as 'fake news'. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the truth lies somewhere in-between?

Strawman. I don't see anyone in this thread doing this.

More generally, I'm curious to know if you could provide some arguments as to what Trump's actually been doing that you think is constructive. And I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely curious: What is he doing right in your minds? Let's talk about his good points.

Wow, really??

-Tax bill
-Tax bill that is phase 1 of dismantling obama care (individual mandate is gone now!)
-two years ago, there was 45,000 ISIS fighters in Iraq and Syria, today there are 1000
-Illegal immgration has plummetted
-supreme court judge confirmed
-Travel ban upheld
-Not willing to entertain pussy-whipped compromises on comprehensive immigration
-brushes off an investigation that's been going on for two years with the goal of impeaching him
-Is credited with thawing relations between North and South Korea
-Dow at 25,000

[Poopadoop]

-Tax bill
-Tax bill that is phase 1 of dismantling obama care (individual mandate is gone now!)
-two years ago, there was 45,000 ISIS fighters in Iraq and Syria, today there are 1000
-Illegal immgration has plummetted
-supreme court judge confirmed
-Travel ban upheld
-Not willing to entertain pussy-whipped compromises on comprehensive immigration
-brushes off an investigation that's been going on for two years with the goal of impeaching him
-Is credited with thawing relations between North and South Korea
-Dow at 25,000

Ok, good. Thank you for eventually answering my question after venting your spleen.

[Poopadoop]

Here's a list of all the presidents in the past 100 years who have or haven't presided over a new record-high stock market

Have: (14)
Wilson
Harding
Coolidge
Hoover
Eisenhower
Kennedy
Johnson
Nixon
Reagan
Bush Sr.
Clinton
Bush Jr.
Obama
Trump

Haven't: (3)
Roosevelt
Truman
Carter

To be fair, Roosevelt was president for 14 years. But on the other hand he came to power during the Great Depression. Arguably the market didn't fully recover until after Truman was finished as well.

But let's assume those are lame ass liberal cuck arguments, and it's their fault cause they sucked. Still, 13/16 presidents before Trump were good enough to preside over a record stock market.

A simple sign test would tell you it would be surprising if Trump didn't preside over a record stock-market, independent of his qualities as a president.

So maybe that's not the best argument in his favour.

[spoonitnow]

Here's a list of all the presidents in the past 100 years who have or haven't presided over a new record-high stock market

Have: (14)
Wilson
Harding
Coolidge
Hoover
Eisenhower
Kennedy
Johnson
Nixon
Reagan
Bush Sr.
Clinton
Bush Jr.
Obama
Trump

Haven't: (3)
Roosevelt
Truman
Carter

To be fair, Roosevelt was president for 14 years. But on the other hand he came to power during the Great Depression. Arguably the market didn't fully recover until after Truman was finished as well.

But let's assume those are lame ass liberal cuck arguments, and it's their fault cause they sucked. Still, 13/16 presidents before Trump were good enough to preside over a record stock market.

A simple sign test would tell you it would be surprising if Trump didn't preside over a record stock-market, independent of his qualities as a president.

So maybe that's not the best argument in his favour.

In 2017, the record was set for the most record-high days for the stock market in a calendar year. #winning #maga #trump2020

None of them had more record-breaking days in a calendar year than Trump did in his very first year. Try again.

[Poopadoop]

None of them had more record-breaking days in a calendar year than Trump did in his very first year. Try again.

Perhaps my point was a bit obtuse so let me make it less subtle so you understand.

Giving Trump sole credit for the stock market is akin to giving Hoover sole blame for 1929 or Truman sole blame for having a lower stock market in 1950 than existed in 1928, or Bush sole blame for 2008 or Bush Sr. sole credit for 1989.

Do you follow now?

[Poopadoop]

-two years ago, there was 45,000 ISIS fighters in Iraq and Syria, today there are 1000

Ignoring the fact that you're implying he deserves credit for whatever happened in the one year before he was president, let's give him credit for at minimum, not fucking up what Obama started. You might even argue he made things work better than they would have otherwise. Ok, fair enough.

[Poopadoop]

-Tax bill
-Tax bill that is phase 1 of dismantling obama care (individual mandate is gone now!)

-Illegal immgration has plummetted

-supreme court judge confirmed

-Travel ban upheld

Happy to give him credit for these things happening under his watch. One can argue whether or what extent they're positive though, depending on one's perspective.

-Not willing to entertain pussy-whipped compromises on comprehensive immigration

Depends on which tweet you accept as his position, the one before or after Fox News was on TV.

-brushes off an investigation that's been going on for two years with the goal of impeaching him

'Brushes off' is a bit opaque, and doesn't seem consistent with his repeated tweeting about 'witch hunts' and the like. To his credit he hasn't said much about it lately, I admit.

But last I heard, Mueller is thinking of asking him for an interview.

Is credited with thawing relations between North and South Korea

Is he? By whom, may I ask?

[spoonitnow]

Is he? By whom, may I ask?

The president of South Korea.

[wufwugy]

I'm curious to know if you could provide some arguments as to what Trump's actually been doing that you think is constructive.

The thing I am most impressed by is that he hasn't bent to media or ctrl-left social justice pressure. Just about all Republicans would, except perhaps one like Cruz. But even then I'm so impressed by this that even though I voted for Cruz over Trump, I think Trump is doing better than Cruz would.

My #2 is North Korea. Watching this dance play out piece by piece has been awesome. I have been super impressed with his strategy and all the tactics he has been using to make that strategy work. We're going to look back at this as Trump literally being the man who solved the North Korea problem. Several months back I was saying that with some hesitance, but given how much real movement on the ground there has been so far, I say it with full confidence now.

ISIS is an easy #3. It went from gangbusters under Obama to virtually finished after a year of Trump allowing Mattis to do what Mattis wants to do.

His attention to rational expectations is #4. Given how much I care about this, it's strange that it's only #4, but that shows how great the ones above it are. Rational expectations is one of the most important concepts in economics, and it is my estimation that Trump understands it better than most economists. Essentially Trump is making the world believe the future will be better, which makes the people behave like the future will be better, which means that current behavior is better since people adjust for future expectations in current behavior, which is what ends up making the future better.

#5 is the many regulation cuts behind the scenes. After he dutifully morning tweets out something that gets the media and bobbleheads to reeeeeeee, he then usually cuts restrictions on hardworking people behind the scenes, and only those who pay attention to things that matter notice.

I'll stop here.

[spoonitnow]

The thing I am most impressed by is that he hasn't bent to media or ctrl-left social justice pressure. Just about all Republicans would, except perhaps one like Cruz. But even then I'm so impressed by this that even though I voted for Cruz over Trump, I think Trump is doing better than Cruz would.

My #2 is North Korea. Watching this dance play out piece by piece has been awesome. I have been super impressed with his strategy and all the tactics he has been using to make that strategy work. We're going to look back at this as Trump literally being the man who solved the North Korea problem. Several months back I was saying that with some hesitance, but given how much real movement on the ground there has been so far, I say it with full confidence now.

ISIS is an easy #3. It went from gangbusters under Obama to virtually finished after a year of Trump allowing Mattis to do what Mattis wants to do.

His attention to rational expectations is #4. Given how much I care about this, it's strange that it's only #4, but that shows how great the ones above it are. Rational expectations is one of the most important concepts in economics, and it is my estimation that Trump understands it better than most economists. Essentially Trump is making the world believe the future will be better, which makes the people behave like the future will be better, which means that current behavior is better since people adjust for future expectations in current behavior, which is what ends up making the future better.

#5 is the many regulation cuts behind the scenes. After he dutifully morning tweets out something that gets the media and bobbleheads to reeeeeeee, he then usually cuts restrictions on hardworking people behind the scenes, and only those who pay attention to things that matter notice.

I'll stop here.

My order of these, starting with my most favorite: 1, 5, 4, 3, 2.

[spoonitnow]

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[Poopadoop]

The thing I am most impressed by is that he hasn't bent to media or ctrl-left social justice pressure. Just about all Republicans would, except perhaps one like Cruz. But even then I'm so impressed by this that even though I voted for Cruz over Trump, I think Trump is doing better than Cruz would.

My #2 is North Korea. Watching this dance play out piece by piece has been awesome. I have been super impressed with his strategy and all the tactics he has been using to make that strategy work. We're going to look back at this as Trump literally being the man who solved the North Korea problem. Several months back I was saying that with some hesitance, but given how much real movement on the ground there has been so far, I say it with full confidence now.

ISIS is an easy #3. It went from gangbusters under Obama to virtually finished after a year of Trump allowing Mattis to do what Mattis wants to do.

His attention to rational expectations is #4. Given how much I care about this, it's strange that it's only #4, but that shows how great the ones above it are. Rational expectations is one of the most important concepts in economics, and it is my estimation that Trump understands it better than most economists. Essentially Trump is making the world believe the future will be better, which makes the people behave like the future will be better, which means that current behavior is better since people adjust for future expectations in current behavior, which is what ends up making the future better.

#5 is the many regulation cuts behind the scenes. After he dutifully morning tweets out something that gets the media and bobbleheads to reeeeeeee, he then usually cuts restrictions on hardworking people behind the scenes, and only those who pay attention to things that matter notice.

I'll stop here.

thanks Wuf. I don't have time to digest this right now but I'll come back to it later.

[BananaStand]

thanks Wuf. I don't have time to digest this right now but I'll come back to it later.

Translation: Thanks wuf, but I didn't really want cogent, compelling, fact-based answers. I just wanna be a trump-hating troll

[Poopadoop]

Translation: Thanks wuf, but I didn't really want cogent, compelling, fact-based answers. I just wanna be a trump-hating troll

Fake News. Wuffy knows I love him.

[Poopadoop]

Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
The thing I am most impressed by is that he hasn't bent to media or ctrl-left social justice pressure. Just about all Republicans would, except perhaps one like Cruz. But even then I'm so impressed by this that even though I voted for Cruz over Trump, I think Trump is doing better than Cruz would.

My #2 is North Korea. Watching this dance play out piece by piece has been awesome. I have been super impressed with his strategy and all the tactics he has been using to make that strategy work. We're going to look back at this as Trump literally being the man who solved the North Korea problem. Several months back I was saying that with some hesitance, but given how much real movement on the ground there has been so far, I say it with full confidence now.

ISIS is an easy #3. It went from gangbusters under Obama to virtually finished after a year of Trump allowing Mattis to do what Mattis wants to do.

His attention to rational expectations is #4. Given how much I care about this, it's strange that it's only #4, but that shows how great the ones above it are. Rational expectations is one of the most important concepts in economics, and it is my estimation that Trump understands it better than most economists. Essentially Trump is making the world believe the future will be better, which makes the people behave like the future will be better, which means that current behavior is better since people adjust for future expectations in current behavior, which is what ends up making the future better.

#5 is the many regulation cuts behind the scenes. After he dutifully morning tweets out something that gets the media and bobbleheads to reeeeeeee, he then usually cuts restrictions on hardworking people behind the scenes, and only those who pay attention to things that matter notice.

I'll stop here.

1. This requires that you like his policies in the first place. But still, giving him credit for standing his ground seems reasonable.

2. What do you think has happened/is happening with N. Korea because of Trump?

3. My understanding is ISIS was already shrinking, but I already responded to this with Banana so nm.

4. You think his confident outlook on the economy helps the economy. Also seems reasonable.

5. You're right the cutting of regs doesn't get talked about by the left, except derisively. I think the objection is that there's a trade-off between what is good for business and what is there to protect people from unfettered business practices.

[wufwugy]

2. What do you think has happened/is happening with N. Korea because of Trump?

The short of it is Trump has been trying to get Xi of China on his side from the beginning, while also getting other big players into his strategy. Trump put a lot of work into showing Xi respect and framing North Korea as something Xi wants to and can get done but if Xi doesn't Trump will. Trump turned himself into Kim, so to speak, by using similar type of escalating rhetoric. He has shown the world he does what Mattis thinks is best when it comes to the military at least enough of the time that nobody knows who is in charge on this issue. This point was something we covered in my game theory class as it related to Khrushchev and the Politburo. Not knowing who was in charge put Kennedy and his generals in a worse spot strategically. Trump has massaged Xi with trade negotiations as well. That all is sort of stage setting, the real meat is in what has been happening recently.

The strategy that the tactics above gear towards is to wage economic war against Kim. Recently, that has come by in a big way. Tons of different new sanctions have been put in place, and the most important ones, oil, are getting restricted a significant amount. Then shortly after we start hearing about these oil restrictions, we hear that Kim has agreed to talks with South Korea. Then SK says Trump was the one who got that done.

We're winning this thing. If you saw me talking about this several months ago I was praising how smartly Kim's regime has been acting and that he might have a better strategic position than Trump does. That was related to Trump being constrained more than Kim. But man was I wrong. Kim going to SK isn't the end, it's not even close. But it is Kim showing some bend to Trump (and Xi and others), though it is Kim bending in a very smart way because it allows him to get SK to agree to something Trump doesn't want.

3. My understanding is ISIS was already shrinking, but I already responded to this with Banana so nm.

If it did shrink at the tail of Obama's term, it was small shrinkage and it came after it grew significantly. The shrinkage under Trump has been about as rapid as Trump's big talk during the campaign said it would be.

There is evidence that Obama didn't take ISIS seriously. There is also evidence (leaked audio) of Secretary of State Kerry implying that they viewed ISIS as a tool against Assad. I think they made a pigsty of it and Trump came in and cleaned up.

5. You're right the cutting of regs doesn't get talked about by the left, except derisively. I think the objection is that there's a trade-off between what is good for business and what is there to protect people from unfettered business practices.

Especially since probably the best way to deter bad practice in business is to let the market function the way it normally does, anybody who doesn't like regulation cuts should point out the exact cuts and provide explanation for why keeping them makes people better off.

A different way of viewing this is that regulations keep bloating over time. Every day, every month, every year, every decade, there are many more regulations than before. Where's the evidence that shows that we're getting safer because of this?

[wufwugy]

There is evidence that Obama didn't take ISIS seriously. There is also evidence (leaked audio) of Secretary of State Kerry implying that they viewed ISIS as a tool against Assad. I think they made a pigsty of it and Trump came in and cleaned up.

I'd like to note how Trump cleaned this up.

By delegating. Like Johnson and his Vietnam quagmire, Obama was a notorious micromanager. As we all know, that is a really bad thing you can do as a manager, and Trump fixed that with his excellent expertise as a successful manager. He gives his military the strategy and lets THEM figure out how to implement it the best they can. He does this because he is the expert manager and they are the expert militarists.