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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    If you're implying that Jamie Gold is dumb, or that you're a better poker player than he is, you should have warned me.

    A man my age can hurt himself shaking his head that much.
    Ha, I guess I was assuming you were a slightly competent poker player and/or aware of Gold's (at the time of winning the bracelet) lack of skill.

    But to your point, whether or not I am a better poker player than Gold, or a better businessman than Trump is irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    Ha, I guess I was assuming you were a slightly competent poker player and/or aware of Gold's (at the time of winning the bracelet) lack of skill.
    I am both. Though I think he gets a bad rap. Are the bad plays we saw the result of a lack of skill, or the result of a mistake, lapse of judgement, or other unusual circumstance. I also kind of think that at the time, poker fans expected the big names to win the big games. I think poker audiences at the time were alot more casual, and didn't really understand that a tournament with a field of thousands requires a tremendous amount of luck to win, no matter how good you are. People just thought that Ivey and the gang would be at the final table every year. So when Jamie fucking gold showed up....they were like...."look at this loser".

    I mean, right there in the picture he's wearing a hat for a poker business with his name on it. Regardless of his performance in one tournament, the man knows a thing or two about poker, and has made a career in it. A career successful enough to make him a household name to people like you.

    You simply can not accomplish that without "skill"

    If you want to talk about "skill" relative to his peers, maybe that's a different discussion. Though as I said, skill can go fuck it self in tourneys with 5000+ runners.

    But to your point, whether or not I am a better poker player than Gold, or a better businessman than Trump is irrelevant.
    Ok, so we ARE talking skill relative to peers then? So why bring up Jamie Gold?

    Anyway, let's play this game. Trumps peers:
    Obama: Dismal economic growth, a health care plan that's already coming apart, and notorious corruption
    Bush 2: Blew all the economy's money on wars and left america broke
    Clinton: Fucked around in the white house.

    Trump: Plummetted illegal immigration, stopped immigration from terrorist countries, cut taxes, eliminated the individual mandate, and a bunch of other shit I've listed in this thread already. All while brushing off silly rumors turned humongous investigation.
  3. #3
    Wuf, your scenarios insist on more people being masters or grand masters. That or you're relying on the assumption that team Trump (including Sessions in this case) is in lockstep. The idea that Mueller (again, on team Trump and in lockstep in your scenario), Sessions, etc, are not playing their own game is near absurd. Especially after we've seen time and again members of team Trump to be shown to be playing their own game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    Wuf, your scenarios insist on more people being masters or grand masters. That or you're relying on the assumption that team Trump (including Sessions in this case) is in lockstep. The idea that Mueller (again, on team Trump and in lockstep in your scenario), Sessions, etc, are not playing their own game is near absurd. Especially after we've seen time and again members of team Trump to be shown to be playing their own game.
    They can play whatever game they want, but there's only one king.
  5. #5
    I don't know what's going on. My intention is to be reasonable in a situation where there is little reason. From that perspective, Muh Russia is pretty damn hilarious and there are some others in government who have probably committed serious crimes that they may or may not have to account for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    Wuf, your scenarios insist on more people being masters or grand masters. That or you're relying on the assumption that team Trump (including Sessions in this case) is in lockstep. The idea that Mueller (again, on team Trump and in lockstep in your scenario), Sessions, etc, are not playing their own game is near absurd. Especially after we've seen time and again members of team Trump to be shown to be playing their own game.
    Trump and Sessions are certainly on the same page. It's some real mental gymnastics to think that a President's AG is ever not on the President's page.

    Regarding Mueller, we just don't know. My personal opinion is that Trump was looking for the person best for the job of special counsel of all things Russia and government corruption related such that they will follow the evidence and do so with credibility and expertise. Mueller is a possible candidate for that. Mueller being hired the day after Trump interviewed him is the kind of thing that signals this or something like this.

    Also, some of the "own game" stuff played by members of the administration is fake news. Not all but some.

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