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[Poopadoop]

Do you have a figure for how much taxes are paid by illegal immigrants, either through federal/state taxes or sales taxes, etc?

[TheSpoonald]

Do you have a figure for how much taxes are paid by illegal immigrants, either through federal/state taxes or sales taxes, etc?

Well, they pay the same sales tax as everybody else. And you can't pay federal/state taxes without social security number. If they're using a fake number, then they would pay tax but only if they have a legit job, and most legit jobs will verify your social security number. If it's a non-legit job; no tax.

What probably happens alot is that the employer is a shady fuck and withholds taxes anyway, but then doesn't tell the gov't he's employing illegal immigrants and pockets the money himself.

I'm not buying the "but illegals pay taxes too" sob story man. They don't.

I think I heard recently it takes an average of 3 generations before an illegal immigrant bloodline becomes cash-flow positive for the country.

[Poopadoop]

Well, they pay the same sales tax as everybody else. And you can't pay federal/state taxes without social security number.

Apparently you can.

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/indi...ication-number

What probably happens alot is that the employer is a shady fuck and withholds taxes anyway, but then doesn't tell the gov't he's employing illegal immigrants and pockets the money himself.

I imagine so, yup. Employers also pay legals under the table sometimes.

I'm not buying the "but illegals pay taxes too" sob story man. They don't.

Not sure why it's a 'sob story'. It seems like a legitimate question to me that there's no simple answer to. Or at least not a simple & correct one.

I think I heard recently it takes an average of 3 generations before an illegal immigrant bloodline becomes cash-flow positive for the country.

I heard it's impossible to pay fed. tax without a SSN too.

[MadMojoMonkey]

You don't get to pick and choose the conclusions of the research and still claim to an informed position. Either you refute it, and the 25M number goes out the window, or you accept it and the rate of crimes by illegal immigrants is halved. Those are 2 commensurate conclusions of the same research by the researcher who did it.
You don't get to take 1 part and not the other without compelling evidence the researcher was talking beyond the scope of the research when drawing conclusions about it.
Take your pick. You can't have it both ways.
Are you making a rational argument or an irrational one?

FFS, it's the link you provided as evidence to support your position.



So is your point illegal immigration is bad for crime? Or is it, "we have no idea how bad illegal immigration is for crime?"
'Cause you started out by saying it's bad for America, but now you seem to be saying there's no way to tell if/whether/how bad it is.