*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[OngBonga]

I think one problem that cocco has is he believes that people are inherently good, given the chance. I'm very much unconvinced. There have been countless peeople given the best possible chance to do good, and they become corrupted by power.

People are inherently cunts. Everyone is at least slightly selfish, that's the instinct to survive. That old chestnut of pressing a button to kill a random person to save your own life... we're all pressing the button. And after pressing the button, we're all gonna think about pressing it again because we can. We probably don't press it again, but we think about it. And some people will.

Cunts. It's perfectly natural. Embrace it.

[CoccoBill]

We all have the potential to be cunts, it's mostly a circumstance. By cuntism I mean selfish disregard of others for personal gain, not bananaesque douchebaggery. The only way to combat cuntism is equality, the only way to combat douchebaggery is /ignore.

[BananaStand]

We all have the potential to be cunts, it's mostly a circumstance. By cuntism I mean selfish disregard of others for personal gain, not bananaesque douchebaggery. The only way to combat cuntism is equality, the only way to combat douchebaggery is /ignore.

lol, wrong on both counts

It's also painfully ironic that you're denouncing cuntism and douchebaggery while simultaneously advocating the homogeneous human society envisioned by Islamic extremists and Hitler.

[Poopadoop]

Just the title says all you need to know.

[BananaStand]

Just the title says all you need to know.

I can't think of a bigger example of willful blindness than to assume the title of a youtube video is accurate.

Does that Fox News Analyst have anything else on his resume that might qualify him as competent in world affairs?

[Poopadoop]

I can't think of a bigger example of willful blindness than to assume the title of a youtube video is accurate.

Does that Fox News Analyst have anything else on his resume that might qualify him as competent in world affairs?

Better question is do any of those qualifications carry weight commensurate with being seen on Fox News, or is just that Trump saw him there and thought he'd be great in Survivor WH?

[BananaStand]

Better question is do any of those qualifications carry weight commensurate with being seen on Fox News, or is just that Trump saw him there and thought he'd be great in Survivor WH?

He was US Ambassador to the UN. It's not like he just got hired because of nepotism.

[Poopadoop]

He was US Ambassador to the UN. It's not like he just got hired because of nepotism.

I know he was ambassador to UN. I just doubt that influenced the decision to hire him as much as being seen on Fox News was.

[CoccoBill]

Nasty_area_of_london.jpg

[OngBonga]

Nasty_area_of_london.jpg

lol

[BananaStand]

History says that excessive government power leads to oppression.

Bill says: "Yeah but, cmon, that wouldn't happen if the government was REALLY big and ruled the whole planet. Right?"

[OngBonga]

The successful businessman in Nairobi probably won't be so successful once all the not-so-successful people disappear to somewhere nice.

It's not a bad neighbourhood, it's a slum. That's an indication of a shithole that lots of people are desperate to leave. Bad neighbourhoods in London don't look like that.

[OngBonga]

If I ruled the world I'd ban coffee.

Right fucking there I'm oppressing the shit out of millions, if not billions of people. But fuck them. Coffee is for cunts. Drink tea.

[Poopadoop]

If I ruled the world I'd ban coffee.

Right fucking there I'm oppressing the shit out of millions, if not billions of people. But fuck them. Coffee is for cunts. Drink tea.

Tea is for fags, sorry.

[CoccoBill]

^You just lost my vote. Tea is ok. Coffee is essential lifewater.

[OngBonga]

Vote? Haha how cute.

[OngBonga]

Pretty sure you just committed a hate crime there.

[Poopadoop]

Hating tea isn't a crime.

[CoccoBill]

https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index

US #17

[wufwugy]

https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index

US #17

These sorts of things are headline catchers. A serious analysis would look at things like statistical distribution. These data are likely clustered instead of equidistant.

[CoccoBill]

These sorts of things are headline catchers. A serious analysis would look at things like statistical distribution. These data are likely clustered instead of equidistant.

I'm sure you have links then with more serious analysis that support your views?

[wufwugy]

I'm sure you have links then with more serious analysis that support your views?

What is my view? That the change between each ranked position of these data is not the same?

[CoccoBill]

What is my view? That the change between each ranked position of these data is not the same?

You said the study was clickbait and not a serious analysis. I'm just wondering what in the 400 page report was missing to satisfy your criteria for a serious analysis. You do realize it kind of seems like you just dismissed it outright without looking into it at all, since it didn't support your views.

[wufwugy]

lol

From <1% to <1%. Univariate in a multivariate world.

[boost]

From <1% to <1%. Univariate in a multivariate world.

Yet all other nations exist in the same multivariate world. Of course only the chart comparing US incarceration rates to prior US rates was posted, but why respond to the weakest form of the argument?

[wufwugy]

Yet all other nations exist in the same multivariate world. Of course only the chart comparing US incarceration rates to prior US rates was posted, but why respond to the weakest form of the argument?

There wasn't an argument to respond to. So I guess I shouldn't have responded at all.

[boost]

There wasn't an argument to respond to. So I guess I shouldn't have responded at all.

Yet you did treat it as an argument, and you chose the weakest form of it. This is telling.

And then comes this response, which is some good ol' hand waving.

[wufwugy]

Yet you did treat it as an argument, and you chose the weakest form of it. This is telling.

And then comes this response, which is some good ol' hand waving.

I don't understand what you're trying to say.

[wufwugy]

Ah, I wasn't referring to the study, but to the idea that a rank (like US #17) is that meaningful.

[CoccoBill]

Ah, I wasn't referring to the study, but to the idea that a rank (like US #17) is that meaningful.

Well sure, nothing much should be deducted from the placement alone apart from it being likely, that the peak freedoms reside in the higher placements.

[OngBonga]

Humankind would become one mono-race.

Only if that randofucking continued. If it didn't, if these mono-race people settled into communities and generally bred locally, then local conditions such as sunlight and diet would once again begin to create evolutionary diversity.

Also, how does randofucking ever actually happen? You have to first of all mix the population thoroughly, then overcome any racial problems that might exist so there's a genuine random element to the fucking when looked at as a large sample. Then you have to keep people moving, keep the monos (is that a raicst term in this world?) from getting too much, or too little, sunlight.

[wufwugy]

Only if that randofucking continued. If it didn't, if these mono-race people settled into communities and generally bred locally, then local conditions such as sunlight and diet would once again begin to create evolutionary diversity.

Also, how does randofucking ever actually happen? You have to first of all mix the population thoroughly, then overcome any racial problems that might exist so there's a genuine random element to the fucking when looked at as a large sample. Then you have to keep people moving, keep the monos (is that a raicst term in this world?) from getting too much, or too little, sunlight.

The scenario isn't viable, though it is useful to help understand some of the other stuff we've been discussing. Things like nationalism have good, and this is one of ways.

[oskar]

The scenario isn't viable, though it is useful to help understand some of the other stuff we've been discussing. Things like nationalism have good, and this is one of ways.

No, it's gobbledygook nonsense based on no understanding of the subject what-so-ever, and it's being used by xenophobic conmen to justify their ideology.

[OngBonga]

I'm down with trying to see if it's viable.

I'll have a Chinese, Japanese and an Indian.

[OngBonga]

lol it's really common for people to say racism when they mean xenophobia, but it's rare to see xenophobia instead of racism.

If we're talking about biology, then that's ethnicity, not nationality.

[oskar]

lol it's really common for people to say racism when they mean xenophobia, but it's rare to see xenophobia instead of racism.

If we're talking about biology, then that's ethnicity, not nationality.

I misuse xenophobia because it's the less racy term if you pardon my pun.

When I said I have never heard wuf's argument in a scientific context, but I've heard it plenty elsewhere, this is an example:

If I understand wuf correctly, he's simply saying that there are biological/evolutionary benefits when people identify with a particular race/ethnicity that is different from someone else's race/ethnicity. Those benefits can be amplified if people organize themselves into societies and systems of ideas along those ethnic lines.

Only that there isn't much in terms of actual numbers that would support that. The US and Japan are both high up the list when it comes to prosperity and quality of life, yet they are polar opposites in terms of diversity. Studies that deal with the economic impact of immigration unanimously agree that it's a positive driving force on economy in the long term. It is only in hand-wavy hypotheticals that you can attempt to paint diversity as a net negative.
Even if the evolutionary analogue would hold any water, which it does not, that doesn't make it a useful tool. From a biological perspective we should be living in communities of 100-250 people. In the real world this is neither applicable nor practical.

[BananaStand]

Only that there isn't much in terms of actual numbers that would support that. The US and Japan are both high up the list when it comes to prosperity and quality of life, yet they are polar opposites in terms of diversity.

So? Is it really a numerical analysis?

Is a unified ethnicity important in Israel? Fuck yeah it is. Just because it's less important, or even unnecessary, in the United States doesn't mean that it's less important, or even unnecessary, everywhere. The influence of ethnicity on cultures and customs differentiates those customs and cultures from others. There are obviously downsides to this, as illustrated in the pic you posted. But there are also upsides as well. For example, the ability of free people to choose the cultures and customs that best suits them is really important.

I'm sure you agree with this because you said:

Studies that deal with the economic impact of immigration unanimously agree that it's a positive driving force on economy in the long term

.

So, if diversity is diluted, then obviously that effect would extend to the cultures and customs of the diluted groups. And as things become more homogenized, you no longer have any need, or practical purpose, for differentiating customs and cultures. It's not hard to imagine this effect to lead to the convergence and merging of governments. And then following this to its logical conclusion, you end up with one homogeneous, all-powerful, planet-ruling super government.

[wufwugy]

Studies that deal with the economic impact of immigration unanimously agree that it's a positive driving force on economy in the long term.

I think for the most part these studies have things mostly correct. However, it should be noted that the data is very insufficient to say if the good is long term since the systems probably have fat tails. Granted, you can say that about LOTS of stuff (and be right). For example, science and technology might not even be good in the long term. We've only had a few hundred years of them, but events relative to them that have not happened yet that may happen in the future are near unlimited. The tails could be fat and we could find in the future ruin comes from them.

[BananaStand]

This whole argument is somewhat silly. Oskar seems to have picked "fitness = ability to reproduce" as the hill to die on. However I really don't see anything in wuf's statements that disagrees with that.

If I understand wuf correctly, he's simply saying that there are biological/evolutionary benefits when people identify with a particular race/ethnicity that is different from someone else's race/ethnicity. Those benefits can be amplified if people organize themselves into societies and systems of ideas along those ethnic lines.

wuf was also clear to state that too much of this is just as bad as none of this.

[oskar]

This whole argument is somewhat silly. Oskar seems to have picked "fitness = ability to reproduce" as the hill to die on. However I really don't see anything in wuf's statements that disagrees with that.

Biologically speaking it quite literally is the hill to die on.
The part that disagrees with that is when he said that a population that has proven it's fitness by virtue of existing, will turn out to be less fit in future generations, because ???

[wufwugy]

Biologically speaking it quite literally is the hill to die on.
The part that disagrees with that is when he said that a population that has proven it's fitness by virtue of existing, will turn out to be less fit in future generations, because ???

It's because of a shock.

This is one of the main ideas in Taleb's Incerto. Shocks happen. If the system is fragile to that shock, then ruin happens. How does a system become fragile to that shock? One way is by not have differentiated enough subsystems of that system. For example, if humans exist only on Earth, the system of humankind is fragile to extinction events like large asteroids landing on Earth. But if humans are differentiated enough, like they live on Mars and some Jupiter moons and in space habitats, then the system of humankind is not fragile to the same shock.

[wufwugy]

The Cold War's potential to have turned hot and ignited mass extinction may be a good example of the type of event in a fat tailed distribution in the system of chemistry. After a hundred or so years of chemistry from its inception, it might make sense to say "hey look at all this amazing stuff we have because of chemistry." Yet it also might be correct that billions of other species across the Universe said the same thing before they blew themselves up generations later.

[wufwugy]

lolo

[OngBonga]

This white genocide thing... I'm a long way from getting on board with that line of thinking, but I can honestly say I can see why some people think it's happening. It would go some way to explaining why immigration is allowed to happen to such a degree, despite the clear cultural problems it's causing. And it would also explain why there is such a demonisation of white males in today's society.

But there are many other reasons this might be happening that doesn't involve the deliberate attempt to wipe out white people. It seems pretty unlikely, and I can't really figure out why white people in control would go along with such an agenda.

[oskar]

Is a unified ethnicity important in Israel? Fuck yeah it is.

Important to whom? Or for what? I think it's just as fucking stupid in Israel as everywhere else. Arguably more stupid in Israel... Definitely more stupid in Israel. What was your point again?

It's not hard to imagine this effect to lead to the convergence and merging of governments.

https://youtu.be/Wn7Ekmjvsl4?t=39s

[BananaStand]

Important to whom? Or for what? I think it's just as fucking stupid in Israel as everywhere else. Arguably more stupid in Israel... Definitely more stupid in Israel. What was your point again?

So let me get this straight. You think Israel should give in to the forces and entities who despise the fact that they exist under a unified ethnicity?

But you also think it's cuckoo to suggest this might lead to tyranny?

[OngBonga]

Not really fair. More accurate would be...

*phones 999*
"Hello emergency services?"
"Hello I'd like to speak to the police please."
"Hold on..."
*connects*
"Hello police?"
"Yes I've been burgled."
"Has the burglar left?"
"Yes."
"This is not an emergency, please hang up and dial 101."
"He called me a nigger."
"We're on our way."

[Poopadoop]

You've been getting your news from the same place as Wuf I see.

[wufwugy]

Not really fair. More accurate would be...

*phones 999*
"Hello emergency services?"
"Hello I'd like to speak to the police please."
"Hold on..."
*connects*
"Hello police?"
"Yes I've been burgled."
"Has the burglar left?"
"Yes."
"This is not an emergency, please hang up and dial 101."
"He called me a nigger."
"We're on our way."

LOL. Meme format this. It might get play.

[OngBonga]

Yeah, twitter. Have you any idea how often the police gleefully tweet how seriously they take online hate crimes? Every single time there's a cascade of people who tell them to catch some fucking criminals.

[Poopadoop]

Yea nice story.

[Poopadoop]

I mean if your point is that political correctness and the language police have gone too far you won't get an argument from me. I just don't see why you need to make up a story to try to support that argument.

And if Wuf's point is that the 9th most free country in the world isn't free enough, he may have a valid point too. But whoever he copied that from is weakening his own argument by making up a silly story. I can make up a silly story too - it doesn't mean what I'm arguing for is correct, it just means I'm too lazy to make a valid argument.

[wufwugy]

I mean if your point is that political correctness and the language police have gone too far you won't get an argument from me. I just don't see why you need to make up a story to try to support that argument.

And if Wuf's point is that the 9th most free country in the world isn't free enough, he may have a valid point too. But whoever he copied that from is weakening his own argument by making up a silly story. I can make up a silly story too - it doesn't mean what I'm arguing for is correct, it just means I'm too lazy to make a valid argument.

I posted it for the lolz

And anything that is worthy of lolz has embedded a kernel of truth.

But that's beside the point. Mainly it made me giggle.

[OngBonga]

I mean if your point is that political correctness and the language police have gone too far you won't get an argument from me. I just don't see why you need to make up a story to try to support that argument.

I suppose I would call it a satirical view of modern Britain. You take things too seriously.

[OngBonga]

Sorry but you deserve an insult for that.

Dickhead.

[Poopadoop]

Sorry but you deserve an insult for that.

Dickhead.

Now you must ban yourself.

Checkmate.

[OngBonga]

Now you must ban yourself.

Checkmate.

A telling off from mojo will suffice.

[MadMojoMonkey]

A telling off from mojo will suffice.

Mods can do whatever we please, here.
Ongie can insult whomever he pleases.

[BananaStand]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/26/polit...ses/index.html

I'm getting more and more excited at the prospect of seeing Elizabeth Warren cry.

[Poopadoop]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/26/polit...ses/index.html

I'm getting more and more excited at the prospect of seeing Elizabeth Warren cry.

Lol like 42% is good.

[BananaStand]

Lol like 42% is good.

It's not?

[Poopadoop]

It's not?

Sure it's awesome being the least popular president ever after 1 year into the job.

[BananaStand]

This is why polling matters so little....

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/26/polit...ses/index.html
^ Time Stamped 1:21 PM Eastern on 3/27

It is currently 4:46pm eastern on 3/27 as I post this. The following link is time stamped vaguely as "4 hours ago", which puts it within an hour of the previous link.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...6Bj?li=BBnb7Kz

The second link also contains this hilarious tidbit....

Trump also trailed Stephanie Clifford, 42-41, in a hypothetical election matchup, the poll found. However, when using Clifford's porn name, Stormy Daniels, she loses support and trails Trump 41-32, according to the poll.

[Poopadoop]

This is why polling matters so little....

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/26/polit...ses/index.html
^ Time Stamped 1:21 PM Eastern on 3/27

It is currently 4:46pm eastern on 3/27 as I post this. The following link is time stamped vaguely as "4 hours ago", which puts it within an hour of the previous link.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...6Bj?li=BBnb7Kz

Wow, that's almost as fast as you changed your mind from the polls being promising for R to the polls mattering so little.

And wow, it's almost as if different polls can give different results, as if they're only asking a sample for their opinion rather than taking a census of the entire population. Measurement error wtf???

[BananaStand]

Wow, that's almost as fast as you changed your mind from the polls being promising for R to the polls mattering so little.

And wow, it's almost as if different polls can give different results, as if they're only asking a sample for their opinion rather than taking a census of the entire population. Measurement error wtf???

I'm starting to feel like I have some kind of super power where I can make you stupid. I know you know what's wrong with what you just said there. I know you know that I didn't actually change my mind, and there are quite differentiating circumstances between my two pronouncements about polls. Yet you can't help yourself but play this juvenile and insincere game of gotchya. It seems I can actually MAKE you do this. This is useful for me to know.

Moving on....

If you've paid even a modicum of attention to anything I've ever opined on the subject of polling, you would know that I place almost zero value in any given poll. However, trends in multiple polls over time are substantially useful.

The approval rating poll that I cited states that it's the highest in 11 months. That represents a change in poll results over a long period of time. That's compelling information. Far more compelling than any single poll result.

The other poll I've cited recently is the generic Rep v Dem congressional poll. Again, I cited no specific instance as being meaningful of anything. I specifically discussed the trend over time and it's correlation with legislative successes/failures.

Sample size...wtf??????

The third poll, from The Hill, represents a single poll at a snapshot in time. Bret Samuels decided to use it as a basis for a hit-piece on Trump, which is an act I've decided to mock.

What is further deserving of mockery is this:

Trump also trailed Stephanie Clifford, 42-41, in a hypothetical election matchup, the poll found. However, when using Clifford's porn name, Stormy Daniels, she loses support and trails Trump 41-32, according to the poll.

Now, if they're polling different groups of people with each name, then I guess that's just statistical variance. However, it seems to me that they were polling the same people with different names. If so, then I think that result is worth unpacking.

In a hypothetical matchup against Stephanie, Trump gets 42. He gets LESS against a porn star. That means that there were people that decided a porn star is a better alternative to Trump, but some random bitch isn't. Either that, or there were people who would vote for Trump against some random bitch, but wouldn't bother to vote if he were running against a porn star.

The obvious conclusion from this poll is that the population sampled all had an IQ under 70

[Poopadoop]

...

Can you possibly express your ignorance in fewer words please? Kinda busy right now. thanks.

[BananaStand]

Can you possibly express your ignorance in fewer words please? Kinda busy right now. thanks.

Reading is good for you.

Go learn something

[OngBonga]

Carol...

[BananaStand]

Oooga booga

one poll yuck

ook ook

many poll happy time

you get?

gorak

[Poopadoop]

Oooga booga

one poll yuck

ook ook

many poll happy time

you get?

gorak

lol best argument you've ever made.

[BananaStand]

lol best argument you've ever made.

I'm glad I finally found a mode of communication to which you are receptive

I mean....

grug lug.... Me talk, you get ....ugh ooga......good yay....booga

[OngBonga]

Given the choice between fucking Carol's ass or Rachel's ass, it's an easy choice really but I would certainly take my time considering it.

[Poopadoop]

Given the choice between fucking Carol's ass or Rachel's ass, it's an easy choice really but I would certainly take my time considering it.

Seems like a delicious predicament to be in for sure.

[OngBonga]

They're both actual tens. Rare as fuck. Throw in Carrie from Mythbusters and that's the perfect geeksome.

[BananaStand]

They're both actual tens. Rare as fuck.

Are you saying you've never seen a woman with good tits?