*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[BananaStand]

Thank God America is in the hands of President Fox News.

The guy basically needs constant supervision, otherwise dumb shit happens. Like a six-year-old with a chainsaw.

But ya, he's like a smart person. A very stable genius indeed.

This is just left-wing hyperbole mixed with enough wishful thinking that you've convinced yourself it's true.

I love it.

Let this be the mantra of the democrats all the way to 2020. Galvanize your core of delusional kooks, and give the moderates a reason to go looking elsewhere.

Poop, when are you gonna realize that this shit you're saying is exactly the kinda shit that's gonna get Trump re-elected?

[Poopadoop]

This is just left-wing hyperbole mixed with enough wishful thinking that you've convinced yourself it's true.

Ah, here comes the cavalry...

I love it.

You love the fact that your president looks like a moron to most of the world? Oh, ok, that's reassuring.

Let this be the mantra of the democrats all the way to 2020. Galvanize your core of delusional kooks, and give the moderates a reason to go looking elsewhere.

Poop, when are you gonna realize that this shit you're saying is exactly the kinda shit that's gonna get Trump re-elected?

I don't live there buddy. You guys do what you want, elect who you want, and I'm sure whether it's Oprah, Trump, or Tom Brady it'll be entertaining. glhf.

[Poopadoop]

In fact, why not elect Tom Brady? He's really smart at football, so obviously he must be smart at everything. I mean anyone who can win multiple super bowls must be a smart guy, right?

[BananaStand]

In fact, why not elect Tom Brady? He's really smart at football, so obviously he must be smart at everything. I mean anyone who can win multiple super bowls must be a smart guy, right?

He's gonna play until 2032

[BananaStand]

You love the fact that your president looks like a moron to most of the world? Oh, ok, that's reassuring.

Inaccurate. Only the deranged Trump detractors think this. And every time you say it, it makes reasonable people think the opposite.

[spoonitnow]

Poop, when are you gonna realize that this shit you're saying is exactly the kinda shit that's gonna get Trump re-elected?

They will never get it. There's no reason to even try with them. A big part of it is that they care more about being liked than anything else. It's why they put so much value in being a victim, which is tied into why the left has turned into a competition to see who can be the biggest snowflake.

It's the same reason why they can't understand that they lost tremendous ground politically under Obama. Obama was liked as a person, and Trump is not. They believe this makes Obama a better president and that it gives "their side" more political clout. It doesn't.

They don't have a clue when it's completely and totally obvious to anyone who looks at the actual data. If you look at the state legislatures, Congress and the governors of the states, the Democrats lost well over 1,000 seats during Obama's presidency. That's a lot of fucking seats.

A related topic is how they feel victimized by Hillary winning the popular vote but losing the election. This gives them another "I'm a victim" point to add to their total, and many of them want to change the rules so that the Electoral College doesn't exist. They aren't in touch enough with reality to realize that the campaign strategies for each side would have been completely different if the rules would have been different, but instead, they like this fantasy world where they think they would have won "if only things were fair." Never mind ever trying to explain why the Electoral College is necessary: Their idea of fairness is whatever set of rules gets them what they want without earning it.

This is why I'll give one or two tries with one of them, and once they show that they're incapable of getting it, I stop trying. They're like zombies. There is no cure.

Edit: While I was typing my comment, the perfect example was posted:

You love the fact that your president looks like a moron to most of the world? Oh, ok, that's reassuring.

To quote myself above: A big part of it is that they care more about being liked than anything else.

[BananaStand]

A related topic is how they feel victimized by Hillary winning the popular vote but losing the election. This gives them another "I'm a victim" point to add to their total, and many of them want to change the rules so that the Electoral College doesn't exist. They aren't in touch enough with reality to realize that the campaign strategies for each side would have been completely different if the rules would have been different, but instead, they like this fantasy world where they think they would have won "if only things were fair."

This one really irks me. Because it's not like the the electoral map was unwinnable for Hillary.

Trump won Wisconsin, but Hillary won the county (precint? district? w/e) of Milwaukee. However, she won that county by less votes than Obama did in 2012. I forget the number of votes, but let's call it X. She lost the state of Wisconsin by exactly X votes after spending 0 campaign days in that state.

In other words, had she put time and resources into winning that state, she could have. All she had to do was hit a turnout target achieved by her predecessor in one measly city. She failed. Not only failed, but didn't even try. And as a result, she lost that state.

Political malpractice. But somehow, the narrative is that she got robbed. WTF???

[spoonitnow]

This one really irks me. Because it's not like the the electoral map was unwinnable for Hillary.

Trump won Wisconsin, but Hillary won the county (precint? district? w/e) of Milwaukee. However, she won that county by less votes than Obama did in 2012. I forget the number of votes, but let's call it X. She lost the state of Wisconsin by exactly X votes after spending 0 campaign days in that state.

In other words, had she put time and resources into winning that state, she could have. All she had to do was hit a turnout target achieved by her predecessor in one measly city. She failed. Not only failed, but didn't even try. And as a result, she lost that state.

Political malpractice. But somehow, the narrative is that she got robbed. WTF???

It's yet another example of the same thing. They do not understand personal responsibility. Everything is always someone else's fault, even if they have to blame the rules themselves.

They think that personal responsibility is some farce is something those "in power" or "privileged" have tricked people into believing in. It's why they make fun of poor white people for voting "against their interests." There's a simple disconnect in understanding that cannot be cured once it gets past a certain point.

This is why their social capital has become who can be the biggest victim. For a particularly fun example, it's why you have people like the ginger kid Shaun King playing a black man who rides the trans-racial train and says stupid shit like "Ungrateful is the new nigger," (source) in response to Trump saving some basketball players' collective asses after they did stupid shit like shoplifting in China of all fucking places.

There was zero focus on the responsibility of those players to not do stupid shit. They were victims.

So they will check off every box they can to make themselves stand out as a special snowflake since it's a competition to see who can be the biggest victim since that's the source of virtue and social capital that they've developed for themselves. The more "unique" and "non-standard" they are and the more minority groups they can insert themselves into (or outright create, which is where the 50+ gender pronouns thing comes from), then the bigger the victim they can portray and the better they can feel about themselves.

This is why the worst thing you can be in their eyes is a straight, white, cis-gendered male. You get zero victim points for that.

Meanwhile, you have people who refuse to have a victim mentality who actually bust their asses to get shit done so that these dipshits can think they deserve a piece of the rewards of doing so.

Edit: Added link to source.

[Poopadoop]

When your reaction to the message is to attack the messenger, it highlights just how weak you are as an interlocutor.

When the liberal media goes ape-shit over practically every Trump tweet or comment, whether it's bad, so-so, or neutral, they effectively turn themselves into mindless propaganda machines. Similarly, when Hannity or whoever on Fox and Friends spins practically every Trump move as a triumph regardless of it being good or bad, they're doing the same thing for the other side. Anyone can see this, but yet you still take what you see on Fox as 'fact' and what gets told on the other side as 'fake news'. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the truth lies somewhere in-between?

More generally, I'm curious to know if you could provide some arguments as to what Trump's actually been doing that you think is constructive. And I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely curious: What is he doing right in your minds? Let's talk about his good points.

[spoonitnow]

Here's another good example, for BananaStand and everyone else.

When your reaction to the message is to attack the messenger, it highlights just how weak you are as an interlocutor.

The first thing he has to do is establish himself as the victim (ie: I'm being attacked). That's their first reaction to everything because they don't understand anything else.

When the liberal media goes ape-shit over practically every Trump tweet or comment, whether it's bad, so-so, or neutral, they effectively turn themselves into mindless propaganda machines. Similarly, when Hannity or whoever on Fox and Friends spins practically every Trump move as a triumph regardless of it being good or bad, they're doing the same thing for the other side. Anyone can see this, but yet you still take what you see on Fox as 'fact' and what gets told on the other side as 'fake news'. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the truth lies somewhere in-between?

Now he wants to go down his little list of talking points he was told to use, whether he realizes it or not, and doing things like assuming anyone gives a shit about Fox, Hannity or anything that he has to say in general.

More generally, I'm curious to know if you could provide some arguments as to what Trump's actually been doing that you think is constructive. And I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely curious: What is he doing right in your minds? Let's talk about his good points.

And finally, he wants to try to put on a front of being reasonable and wanting to have an actual conversation. However, as we can see from his history, this is the last thing that he wants. Any point that is brought up will not be understood in the context of reason and personal responsibility. It will all be about the victim points tally and how people feel, both of which are useless in the realm of people who actually get shit done.

They are zombies, and there is no cure.

[Poopadoop]

blah blah blah more ad hominen garbage.

Well done, thanks for making my point better than I ever could.

[oskar]

And finally, he wants to try to put on a front of being reasonable and wanting to have an actual conversation. However, as we can see from his history, this is the last thing that he wants. Any point that is brought up will not be understood in the context of reason and personal responsibility. It will all be about the victim points tally and how people feel, both of which are useless in the realm of people who actually get shit done.

They are zombies, and there is no cure.

It is hilarious how well that describes you. Any point that you are being poked on immediately turns either into ad-hominem or you go off on non-sequitur's. This response is a great example. He asked a super straight forward question that even I could answer, and yet you choose to go off on this tirade, because it's much easier than answering the question. Your mind is the path of least resistance exemplified.

[spoonitnow]

In 2017, the record was set for the most record-high days for the stock market in a calendar year. #winning #maga #trump2020

[spoonitnow]

Kentucky to add Medicaid work requirement; first state to follow Trump plan

http://archive.is/menYm#selection-1215.0-1215.75

Kentucky received the green light Friday to require many of its Medicaid recipients to work in order to receive coverage.

The Bluegrass State thus becomes the first state to act on the Trump administration’s unprecedented change that could affect millions of low-income people receiving benefits.

Under the new rule, adults age 19 to 64 must complete 80 hours of "community engagement" per month to keep their care. That includes working a job, going to school, taking a job-training course or volunteering.

[BananaStand]

When your reaction to the message is to attack the messenger, it highlights just how weak you are as an interlocutor.

No, when your message is retarded garbage, calling you a purveyor of retarded garbage is apt. And there really is no other way to describe your "trump is dumb" drumbeat other than to call it retarded garbage.

When the liberal media goes ape-shit over practically every Trump tweet or comment, whether it's bad, so-so, or neutral, they effectively turn themselves into mindless propaganda machines. Similarly, when Hannity or whoever on Fox and Friends spins practically every Trump move as a triumph regardless of it being good or bad, they're doing the same thing for the other side. Anyone can see this, but yet you still take what you see on Fox as 'fact' and what gets told on the other side as 'fake news'. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the truth lies somewhere in-between?

Strawman. I don't see anyone in this thread doing this.

More generally, I'm curious to know if you could provide some arguments as to what Trump's actually been doing that you think is constructive. And I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely curious: What is he doing right in your minds? Let's talk about his good points.

Wow, really??

-Tax bill
-Tax bill that is phase 1 of dismantling obama care (individual mandate is gone now!)
-two years ago, there was 45,000 ISIS fighters in Iraq and Syria, today there are 1000
-Illegal immgration has plummetted
-supreme court judge confirmed
-Travel ban upheld
-Not willing to entertain pussy-whipped compromises on comprehensive immigration
-brushes off an investigation that's been going on for two years with the goal of impeaching him
-Is credited with thawing relations between North and South Korea
-Dow at 25,000

[Poopadoop]

-Tax bill
-Tax bill that is phase 1 of dismantling obama care (individual mandate is gone now!)
-two years ago, there was 45,000 ISIS fighters in Iraq and Syria, today there are 1000
-Illegal immgration has plummetted
-supreme court judge confirmed
-Travel ban upheld
-Not willing to entertain pussy-whipped compromises on comprehensive immigration
-brushes off an investigation that's been going on for two years with the goal of impeaching him
-Is credited with thawing relations between North and South Korea
-Dow at 25,000

Ok, good. Thank you for eventually answering my question after venting your spleen.

[Poopadoop]

-two years ago, there was 45,000 ISIS fighters in Iraq and Syria, today there are 1000

Ignoring the fact that you're implying he deserves credit for whatever happened in the one year before he was president, let's give him credit for at minimum, not fucking up what Obama started. You might even argue he made things work better than they would have otherwise. Ok, fair enough.

[Poopadoop]

-Tax bill
-Tax bill that is phase 1 of dismantling obama care (individual mandate is gone now!)

-Illegal immgration has plummetted

-supreme court judge confirmed

-Travel ban upheld

Happy to give him credit for these things happening under his watch. One can argue whether or what extent they're positive though, depending on one's perspective.

-Not willing to entertain pussy-whipped compromises on comprehensive immigration

Depends on which tweet you accept as his position, the one before or after Fox News was on TV.

-brushes off an investigation that's been going on for two years with the goal of impeaching him

'Brushes off' is a bit opaque, and doesn't seem consistent with his repeated tweeting about 'witch hunts' and the like. To his credit he hasn't said much about it lately, I admit.

But last I heard, Mueller is thinking of asking him for an interview.

Is credited with thawing relations between North and South Korea

Is he? By whom, may I ask?

[wufwugy]

I'm curious to know if you could provide some arguments as to what Trump's actually been doing that you think is constructive.

The thing I am most impressed by is that he hasn't bent to media or ctrl-left social justice pressure. Just about all Republicans would, except perhaps one like Cruz. But even then I'm so impressed by this that even though I voted for Cruz over Trump, I think Trump is doing better than Cruz would.

My #2 is North Korea. Watching this dance play out piece by piece has been awesome. I have been super impressed with his strategy and all the tactics he has been using to make that strategy work. We're going to look back at this as Trump literally being the man who solved the North Korea problem. Several months back I was saying that with some hesitance, but given how much real movement on the ground there has been so far, I say it with full confidence now.

ISIS is an easy #3. It went from gangbusters under Obama to virtually finished after a year of Trump allowing Mattis to do what Mattis wants to do.

His attention to rational expectations is #4. Given how much I care about this, it's strange that it's only #4, but that shows how great the ones above it are. Rational expectations is one of the most important concepts in economics, and it is my estimation that Trump understands it better than most economists. Essentially Trump is making the world believe the future will be better, which makes the people behave like the future will be better, which means that current behavior is better since people adjust for future expectations in current behavior, which is what ends up making the future better.

#5 is the many regulation cuts behind the scenes. After he dutifully morning tweets out something that gets the media and bobbleheads to reeeeeeee, he then usually cuts restrictions on hardworking people behind the scenes, and only those who pay attention to things that matter notice.

I'll stop here.

[spoonitnow]

The thing I am most impressed by is that he hasn't bent to media or ctrl-left social justice pressure. Just about all Republicans would, except perhaps one like Cruz. But even then I'm so impressed by this that even though I voted for Cruz over Trump, I think Trump is doing better than Cruz would.

My #2 is North Korea. Watching this dance play out piece by piece has been awesome. I have been super impressed with his strategy and all the tactics he has been using to make that strategy work. We're going to look back at this as Trump literally being the man who solved the North Korea problem. Several months back I was saying that with some hesitance, but given how much real movement on the ground there has been so far, I say it with full confidence now.

ISIS is an easy #3. It went from gangbusters under Obama to virtually finished after a year of Trump allowing Mattis to do what Mattis wants to do.

His attention to rational expectations is #4. Given how much I care about this, it's strange that it's only #4, but that shows how great the ones above it are. Rational expectations is one of the most important concepts in economics, and it is my estimation that Trump understands it better than most economists. Essentially Trump is making the world believe the future will be better, which makes the people behave like the future will be better, which means that current behavior is better since people adjust for future expectations in current behavior, which is what ends up making the future better.

#5 is the many regulation cuts behind the scenes. After he dutifully morning tweets out something that gets the media and bobbleheads to reeeeeeee, he then usually cuts restrictions on hardworking people behind the scenes, and only those who pay attention to things that matter notice.

I'll stop here.

My order of these, starting with my most favorite: 1, 5, 4, 3, 2.

[Poopadoop]

The thing I am most impressed by is that he hasn't bent to media or ctrl-left social justice pressure. Just about all Republicans would, except perhaps one like Cruz. But even then I'm so impressed by this that even though I voted for Cruz over Trump, I think Trump is doing better than Cruz would.

My #2 is North Korea. Watching this dance play out piece by piece has been awesome. I have been super impressed with his strategy and all the tactics he has been using to make that strategy work. We're going to look back at this as Trump literally being the man who solved the North Korea problem. Several months back I was saying that with some hesitance, but given how much real movement on the ground there has been so far, I say it with full confidence now.

ISIS is an easy #3. It went from gangbusters under Obama to virtually finished after a year of Trump allowing Mattis to do what Mattis wants to do.

His attention to rational expectations is #4. Given how much I care about this, it's strange that it's only #4, but that shows how great the ones above it are. Rational expectations is one of the most important concepts in economics, and it is my estimation that Trump understands it better than most economists. Essentially Trump is making the world believe the future will be better, which makes the people behave like the future will be better, which means that current behavior is better since people adjust for future expectations in current behavior, which is what ends up making the future better.

#5 is the many regulation cuts behind the scenes. After he dutifully morning tweets out something that gets the media and bobbleheads to reeeeeeee, he then usually cuts restrictions on hardworking people behind the scenes, and only those who pay attention to things that matter notice.

I'll stop here.

thanks Wuf. I don't have time to digest this right now but I'll come back to it later.