Quote Originally Posted by poker_pup
Wuf, at some point, you're gonna look back at this and laugh.
Not unless the physical properties of the universe change between now and then.

Here's the disconnect: I'm arguing from the perspective of empirical fact, the opposition is arguing from the perspective of irrational conjecture. The former always wins, and the latter always loses.

The mass hysteria of today isn't any different than the mass hysteria of the 70's fueled by pop media. The only difference is the number of media outlets spouting the same hypothesis.
I'm not sure you understood me

Even proponents of global warming therory started calling it "global climate change" a few years ago. This was my signal that they don't even believe their own crap.
Global warming and climate change are two entirely different things. Global warming is an aspect of climate change, but climate change does not necessitate global warming. Science is precise, and the fields of science that deal with issues like global warming do so under a much broader subject of climate change. It's called the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, not the Intergovernmental Panel on Global Warming, and it deals with all data that affects climate, not just one aspect of climate. Sometimes they say climate change when they mean climate change, and sometimes they say global warming when they are specifically addressing global warming. Scientists have not changed their vernacular on this issue, only the populous, media, and special interests have

Not to mention that the uneducated and special interests have quite loved the phrase 'climate change' because it sounds much less threatening. So here you have scientists doing what scientists do (being precise about what they mean), and morons and liars doing what they do (being wrong and spreading confusion)

Also, anybody who denies the empirical fact of global warming should also deny the luxuries of living in a house, eating food, driving cars, talking on phones, using computers, or drinking water because all of those things are made available to us via the same exact gathering and logical analysis of empirical data that brings us the science of global warming. Not trying to be mean, only make the logic clear