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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    After reading your post, I'm positively shocked that we have a difference of opinion.
    I was taking a shit, so I didn't actually get around to why I have a different opinion with my previous post.

    My point is this: There is sexual tension between a non-trivial number of students in these types of dances, even at 11-12 years old, and that's why I think everything I said about it a few posts back with regard to consent (to which you said they are 11 years old, etc.) still applies. This is the crux of why I said I think my experience gives me a different perspective since I think sexual education, consent, etc. should really be taken seriously with people of those ages.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Serious question.
    I think it's the natural thing. Otherwise, we would start puberty later in life.

    As to whether it's good or bad, I don't think it's either. I'd say it was good for me and probably bad for the girls in the long run.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    This all sounds like an overwhelmingly strong argument for restructuring school dances to include significantly more supervision, and encouraging kids to mingle with as many people as possible.
    We had tremendous supervision, and it still went down. You're not going to keep people from doing this stuff unless you create a prison-like environment, and it's still going to happen then to some degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Why are we in disagreement then????
    I answered most of this above, but just to reiterate, I think it's because we view the ages involved differently.

    There's a skin in the game pun here somewhere too.


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    I think wufwugy still does the best impression of the left, but this is solid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    We had tremendous supervision, and it still went down. You're not going to keep people from doing this stuff unless you create a prison-like environment, and it's still going to happen then to some degree.
    I don't know about prison-like. I think we have different visions about how this dance goes down. It doesn't sound like this school, in Utah, isn't putting a bunch of raging-hormoned adolescents in a dark room with loud music and leaving them to their own devices for a few hours. It sounds like this is more of an emcee'd event, like a wedding reception, where the crowd is engaged in activities like a rotating dance card.

    I'd let me 11 year old daughter go to this dance feeling confident that the odds against her getting finger-banged are at least 20 to 1
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    I don't know about prison-like. I think we have different visions about how this dance goes down. It doesn't sound like this school, in Utah, isn't putting a bunch of raging-hormoned adolescents in a dark room with loud music and leaving them to their own devices for a few hours. It sounds like this is more of an emcee'd event, like a wedding reception, where the crowd is engaged in activities like a rotating dance card.

    I'd let me 11 year old daughter go to this dance feeling confident that the odds against her getting finger-banged are at least 20 to 1
    What I'm saying is that the type of thing you're describing here isn't very far off from how our dances were.

    Lots of shit went down on the school bus too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    What I'm saying is that the type of thing you're describing here isn't very far off from how our dances were.
    Really? I remember school dances being in large gymnasiums with very little lighting and very loud music. And the ratio of adults to kids was quite large. That's not what I'm envisioning at this Utah middle school.

    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    Lots of shit went down on the school bus too.
    I'm just gonna reassure myself by saying that this was during a time before everyone had a camera in their pocket, and trust that kids exercise more modesty nowadays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Really? I remember school dances being in large gymnasiums with very little lighting and very loud music. And the ratio of adults to kids was quite large. That's not what I'm envisioning at this Utah middle school.

    I'm just gonna reassure myself by saying that this was during a time before everyone had a camera in their pocket, and trust that kids exercise more modesty nowadays.
    I think I just remembered that you have a daughter(s). Here are a couple of pieces of food for thought.

    My girl's little cousin got caught a few years ago sending video of her self masturbating to her boyfriend, who was 23. She had only recently turned 15.

    Then again, my girl moved in with me when she was 19 and I was 30. Her mom was commenting on Facebook on a picture of the Lego set I got her and said that she was spoiled, so I must be doing alright.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    I think I just remembered that you have a daughter(s).
    Then why did you find the 'head in the sand' pic so funny?

    My girl's little cousin got caught a few years ago sending video of her self masturbating to her boyfriend, who was 23. She had only recently turned 15.
    I hear stories like this, and I know I'm supposed to be frightened, but I'm not. I can't imagine how it would even be possible for my teenage daughter to have an adult boyfriend. your girl's little cousin has horrible parents, like cataclysmically bad parents.

    Then again, my girl moved in with me when she was 19 and I was 30. Her mom was commenting on Facebook on a picture of the Lego set I got her and said that she was spoiled, so I must be doing alright.
    Sarcasm translates poorly through text.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Then why did you find the 'head in the sand' pic so funny?
    We make fun of libtards so much, I just assumed it had to do with that. Trying to post and cook at the same time doesn't work out well for me all of the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    I hear stories like this, and I know I'm supposed to be frightened, but I'm not. I can't imagine how it would even be possible for my teenage daughter to have an adult boyfriend. your girl's little cousin has horrible parents, like cataclysmically bad parents.
    She met him on OkCupid on her phone and lied about her age. She would meet with him at parks and things when she went to hang out with her friends. I don't know her parents well enough to tell, but her dad cried when he found out because the guy she was sending this to (who she was also having sex with occasionally) was black.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Sarcasm translates poorly through text.
    lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    I'm just gonna reassure myself by saying that this was during a time before everyone had a camera in their pocket, and trust that kids exercise more modesty nowadays.
    I like how you drew this conclusion and not the realistic one that this just results in there being a video of your daughter getting fingered going around school and forever on the internet.

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