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    I actually don't have that big of a problem with this. It sounds like they are doing some due diligence beforehand by asking kids to fill out cards with who they want to dance with. That suggests that there is some intelligent matchmaking going on that would prevent any problem ahead of time.

    The story doesn't say much about what "dancing" entails. It doesn't specifically mention touching. I can't imagine a girl can be forced to let a boy touch her body. So I'm wondering exactly what these kids are actually being "forced" to do. If all they are being asked to do is stand two feet away from a boy and dance around...I'm not terribly outraged.

    On the other hand the school seems to be facilitating some constructive interactions. The pre-game card system sounds like it should alleviate alot of the social anxiety involved with asking someone to dance and risking rejection. These kids don't have to worry about that and can just focus on having fun, and having an open mind about someone they may not have known otherwise.

    Gun to my head, if I'm forced to pick a side, I'd say I'm against this. It feels like a solution without a problem. But ultimately....who's really being hurt by this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Gun to my head, if I'm forced to pick a side, I'd say I'm against this. It feels like a solution without a problem. But ultimately....who's really being hurt by this?
    If we assume it's a boy asking a girl, since that's how it's being framed, I'd argue that it hurts both the boy and the girl.

    It hurts the boy because he does not have to deal with getting his balls up and asking a girl to dance with those stupid cards where you write down, and if he does go to ask a girl on those cards or whatever, he doesn't have to deal with the risk of rejection, which is some real participation trophy shit to me.

    It hurts the girl because she's being put in a position where she's being told she has to dance with boys she does not want to dance with, and that sets a precedent that she does not have the right to say no. Even if we assume that there is no touching at all, which is not exactly a given, then it's still a violation of consent, and it teaches the girls that they are supposed to just let boys do whatever they want because it's not nice to tell people no.

    On a larger level, this whole "let's make shit inclusive" mentality is the same mentality that creates snowflakes who think we should let 11 million illegal immigrants just stay here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    It hurts the boy because he does not have to deal with getting his balls up and asking a girl to dance with those stupid cards where you write down,
    So??? He's 11. Eventually there will come a day when he has skin in the game and he will either have to 'get his balls up', or take a cold shower.

    and if he does go to ask a girl on those cards or whatever, he doesn't have to deal with the risk of rejection, which is some real participation trophy shit to me.
    Again, he's only 11.

    Furthermore, how is this card system substantially different from Tinder???

    It hurts the girl because she's being put in a position where she's being told she has to dance with boys she does not want to dance with, and that sets a precedent that she does not have the right to say no.
    I think you're confusing this with a typical high-school dance. First of all, it's not high school. It's wrong to view this through the lens of your own experiences where school dances were places for cultivating young romances. It seems to me that this dance is a highly supervised event that allows classmates an opportunity for non-academic social interactions.

    Even if we assume that there is no touching at all, which is not exactly a given, then it's still a violation of consent, and it teaches the girls that they are supposed to just let boys do whatever they want because it's not nice to tell people no.
    You're overreacting I think. Again, I think you're a little too focused on the romance angle.

    On a larger level, this whole "let's make shit inclusive" mentality is the same mentality that creates snowflakes
    If I can play devil's advocate for a minute, a counter argument to this might be that adolescents today are over-exposed to sexual content. I have kids, and I see the shows they watch. Girls, even very young ones, wear more make-up than most porn stars. The characters have 'boy-problems' at extremely young ages. The themes and storylines in these shows used to only be directed to a much older crowd.

    Maybe it's ok to expose 11 year olds to social situations free from that clutter. Maybe just focus on dancing, making friends, and having an open mind about others. Leave the drama for the teen-years.

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