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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    The thing about language is that anyone can master it to the extent they want to master it. I'm known in my field as a good writer, but if people realized that I almost daily consult a dictionary or thesaurus, or fret over every word when I'm writing something I want to be taken seriously they might reconsider their opinion and just think I'm OCD instead.

    There's such a clear distinction between language skills which are rewarded by hard work and maths skills which are mainly innate (in my experience) that thinking of IQ as a measure of mental ability in general is silly. Math you're either good at or not, language is a battle.
    How does that change when it's on the fly, in the moment?

    For example, Sam Harris. He might be the most articulate off the cuff speaker I know of. I'm a great speaker, but that dude is on another level. I may be a better conversationalist than him though, so there is that. Which makes me wonder how those skills differ, articulate speaking and conversation. Maybe like the difference between an interviewer and interviewee. The interviewee has to be good at articulating a thought in the most interesting way, but the interviewer as to be good at playing off the thought in the most interesting way.


    Harris' mechanical, active speech is hilarious. It's what I do. I'm trying to go more visual (like what Trump does), but it's tough. I think in terms of movement more than picture, but picture is more effective at communicating to somebody that isn't already your choir.
  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    How does that change when it's on the fly, in the moment?
    I think there is a notable distinction between language that comes easily in conversation and language that is deliberate. It's interesting, because I have colleagues who can win every argument face-to-face but ask others for help in putting the same argument in writing.

    It seems a paradox because language is language but the way in which you use language differs between spoken convo and written discourse. There is no editing allowed in spoken language, but there is in written language. Maybe this is only a point of mine because the difference to me in the quality of my discourse is so stark. But generally I feel having the option of thinking first and talking second makes a huge difference in the quality of an argument. Maybe it should. Or maybe it's a failing unique to myself.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    But generally I feel having the option of thinking first and talking second makes a huge difference in the quality of an argument. Maybe it should. Or maybe it's a failing unique to myself.
    I feel the same way, which is why I enjoy text conversations so much. However, I do have a very strong ability to verbalize on my feet, so that suggests to me that the "think first; say it better" nature of text conversation is true regardless of skill on your feet.
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    I always thought the Bernie appeal was

    (1) He talks forcefully (like Trump omg)

    (2) He says things people want to hear.

    (3) He has a comedic element about him that people find endearing, exemplified in how Larry David could impersonate him even though LD is least impersonating person of all time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    I always thought the Bernie appeal was

    (1) He talks forcefully (like Trump omg)

    (2) He says things people want to hear.

    (3) He has a comedic element about him that people find endearing, exemplified in how Larry David could impersonate him even though LD is least impersonating person of all time.
    Yeah that's fair. None of that can cover up how he's a total fucking pussy though.

    Women will forgive you for being a dick, but they'll never forgive you for being a pussy.

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