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[OngBonga]

First off, you do have choices.

How do I have choice? I have the choice to not consume water? I have the choice to use a different company to deliver my water? Perhaps a different resevoir?

The only choice I have is tap water or bottled water. That's great when I want to drink it, but when it comes to washing, I think it's gonna get expensive pouring evian into the bath.

The free energy comment was a little bit trollish, but if you can bring down the price of energy (perhaps by nationalising it and removing profit), then there might be a knock on effect making goods and services cheaper.

[OngBonga]

Looking at our energy companies, I can't figure out what the fuck is going on.

British Gas - owned by Centrica, the same company who own Direct Energy in USA. British based mulitnational company.

EDF - French state-owned.

Scottish Power - owned by a private Spanish company.

SSE - Scottish, private.

npower - German, private.

E.ON - also private German company.

So the only state-owned power company we have are French.

Turns out my water supplier is UK state-owned, although I can't even begin to figure out the company structure, and it appears to be the only state-owned supplier in the UK.

[spoonitnow]

but if you can bring down the price of energy (perhaps by nationalising it and removing profit)

The profit motive is what drives competition, which drives down the price of energy.

[wufwugy]

How do I have choice? I have the choice to not consume water? I have the choice to use a different company to deliver my water? Perhaps a different resevoir?

The only choice I have is tap water or bottled water. That's great when I want to drink it, but when it comes to washing, I think it's gonna get expensive pouring evian into the bath.

In the first paragraph you implied you don't have choice then in the second paragraph you stated you have choice.

I explained the paragraph immediately above your post the type of thing that is going on here, where how even companies that are monopolies don't seem to behave the way monopolies can.

For nearly all things, people do operate with a small degree of choice, and that choice has a very positive impact. Typically, when there is a "lack" of choice, it comes by government laws creating that lack (this is VERY common) or by one/couple company(s) meeting demand.

The free energy comment was a little bit trollish, but if you can bring down the price of energy (perhaps by nationalising it and removing profit), then there might be a knock on effect making goods and services cheaper.

How would that make energy cheaper?

[spoonitnow]

How would that make energy cheaper?

Because they wouldn't have to turn a profit. The money for research and development and the upward pressure from competition is all free.

[OngBonga]

Because they wouldn't have to turn a profit. The money for research and development and the upward pressure from competition is all free.

R&D is not profit.

Profit is the bit that goes to shareholders in the form of dividends, or CEOs in the form of bonuses.

The profit motive is what drives competition, which drives down the price of energy.

So tell me, where's the competition when it comes to energy? Do I get to choose a cheaper power plant?

[Savy]

So tell me, where's the competition when it comes to energy? Do I get to choose a cheaper power plant?

You literally do yes. Regardless though your point seems to be more there isn't enough competition for energy therefore the companies that do provide that competition should be gotten rid of? One of the big issues is too much government control over energy so that companies can't compete because they are not allowed to do anything.

That "false competition" you talk about still does, and who'd have though, provide competition because they do offer cheaper energy and if they didn't you'd pick the next guy. Yes they are all limited by the price point that they have to pay (bigger businesses negotiate better deals with those single supplies btw) but if they didn't have to lower prices then why would they?

[spoonitnow]

R&D is not profit.

Profit is the bit that goes to shareholders in the form of dividends, or CEOs in the form of bonuses.

So tell me, where's the competition when it comes to energy? Do I get to choose a cheaper power plant?

More profit means more opportunities to invest back in your business. R&D is not a part of doing current business. It's an investment into future business.