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    Or...trump could abandon his platform, fail his constituents, and cave in on immigration.

    That would ALSO be a failure of leadership.

    If you wanna be intentionally glib and say everything is the presidents fault....go ahed, make yourself look foolish. Only a fool would deny that these senators are failing at their jobs.

    Trump is damned if he does, damned if he doesnt. So...nice chess moves dems. You can tout your victory to the hundreds of thousands set to be furloughed on monday.

    This is now a battle in the press. Both sides assign blame and the partisans on TV try to convince the american people who's right.

    In the end though, the dems are demanding a deal for illegal immigrants and they are doing it by holding american citizens hostage. The Trump media machine is spreading that message. Dems are saying...."oooh in 2013 you said nyah nyah myah nyah"

    I guess we will see how it plays out
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    Eventually both sides will give a little and the bill will get passed.

    That's how good government generally works.

    The question is why did it have to come to this? A very stable genius should have been able to talk to both sides and lead them through it to a compromise without all the drama and angst that's going on now. That's what good leaders do.
    Last edited by Poopadoop; 01-20-2018 at 09:52 AM.

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