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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    boys and men get adhd because they aren't put to hard labor enough.

    nobody who lived on a farm back in 1830 had adhd. that's for damn sure.

    the above probably applies to >90%.
    Some of them did acquire drapetomania though...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drapetomania
  2. #2
    Oh, snap.

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Oh, snap.
    Leaders fall on the sword. No disputing that.

    Though, you have to admit that dems holding the gov't hostage over DACA is reckless. Especially when they themselves have not proposed any compromise immigration bill. If they had something on the table...you could cut them some slack. But they don't.

    Also, you have to admit that Trump has greater leadership challenges than Obama had in 2013. It's one thing for dems and repubs to have philosophical impasses on policy. It's another thing to vote against something good just cuz you hate the prez and want to see him fail.

    Finally, when they inevitably pass a spending bill....are you gonna praise Trump for bringing both sides together??
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    Well, like he said in 2013 problems have to get solved from the top and the president has to lead. And so if he fixes what he himself says is mostly his own fault, why would I praise him for that?

    Seems it should be easier when you have a majority in both the house and the senate. If this is how he manages his majorities, what's going to happen after the mid-terms?
  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Seems it should be easier when you have a majority in both the house and the senate.
    This is an intentionally ignorant explanation being peddled by the left. They're getting away with it because most American's aren't tuned-in enough to know that the actual rules require 60 votes, which means the Democrats have to do something more than make hostage-demands.

    they say "but repubs have the majority", like having a majority matters, but it doesn't.
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    This is an intentionally ignorant explanation being peddled by the left. They're getting away with it because most American's aren't tuned-in enough to know that the actual rules require 60 votes, which means the Democrats have to do something more than make hostage-demands.

    they say "but repubs have the majority", like having a majority matters, but it doesn't.
    The rules require 60 votes to open the debate, 51 to pass the bill, no? So the president got the 60 votes needed for the tax bill to open for debate, and enough votes to pass it, but not the 60 needed to keep the government running, is that what happened?

    Also, aren't 3 R senators on record as saying they wouldn't vote for the latest thing? I don't know, but seems a good president would at least manage to unite his own party. A very stable genius would be good at leading like that I'd think.
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post

    they say "but repubs have the majority", like having a majority matters, but it doesn't.
    Last gov't shutdown that happened when the party in power held both majorities was under Carter in 1979, and there have been quite a few since then. But that's just a coincidence I guess.
  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    This is an intentionally ignorant explanation being peddled by the left. They're getting away with it because most American's aren't tuned-in enough to know that the actual rules require 60 votes, which means the Democrats have to do something more than make hostage-demands.

    they say "but repubs have the majority", like having a majority matters, but it doesn't.
    I'm pretty sure 60 votes isn't not even a hard and fast rule. It's an internal Senate norm.
  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Oh, snap.

    On this, I was expecting to be upset because I was expecting to see the conservative/libertarian/Trump sides rationalize why the government shouldn't be shut down in spite of those same people liking the shut downs earlier. But I haven't seen much of that. I've seen support for military, which is consistent with what the cons/liberts believe. So, really, there is consistency. The right-wing likes government shut downs for reasons of too much taxing and spending, and the left-wing likes government shut downs for reasons of aiding and abetting crime.

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