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Originally Posted by OngBonga
This is an image of a Zenit fan (Russia) waving a banana at Roberto Carlos, shortly before Russia were awarded the World Cup.
Money talks. Welcome to the real world.
Where is the image of Russians storming the barricades at the Moscow version of Wembley. That's what I mean about controlling fans. It's not about making every single fan not be racist. ldo.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Are you really comparing casual social racism in the UK in 2021 with Nazism?
I guess now Trump is gone, you need a new Literally Hitler.
No, I'm pointing out that the attitudes of leaders in a country impact the expression of racism by their citizens.
Let me explain this to you because you seem to be struggling with it (or pretending you do, or w/e). There's always racists about, in every country. When the leaders of a country come out strongly and consistently against racism, those people tend to get quieter. They're less likely to overtly act racist because they see it is being opposed at the very top. Conversely, when leaders use racist language and/or waffle on racist issues, those people are more likely to overtly act racist because it is being given tacit acceptance by those at the very top. See the difference?
It's not that Boris is Hitler, don't be an idiot. It's that Boris is one of those leaders who falls into the latter category of leaders who are tacitly condoning racism. Same as Trump, but he's not quite so stupidly blatant about it. And, the result is the same in either case, racists feel empowered.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
This is what you think about ethnic people working for the Conservatives? And you think they have a racism problem?
Pretty much, yes. Their ambition outweighs their morality. If you work for and support a PM who is a casual racist, it's hard to at the same time claim to be against racism.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
This is quite incredible. Think this through for some time. You're essentially saying that people of ethnicity should have a political opinion that is shaped purely by the colour of their skin, and if they don't, they're essentially Uncle Toms. The concept of a black conservative is so confusing to you.
It's not really that incredible. To take it to the extreme, imagine a Jew existed somewhere in the 1930s who was working for Hitler. Would you say he's a sellout? Because most Jews would say yes. Similarly, a lot of Asians think Patel is a sellout. It's not just me saying that because I don't like her.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I think what you're saying here is racist. This is why I think you should mull this over. Do you think that black people can make their own decisions on whether a party represents their views? Or do you feel qualified to make that decision for them, and judge them when they make the "wrong" decision"?
Sure they can. But if they're in a party that promotes a casual racist to the top position, that suggests to me they aren't thinking very clearly about what their party represents and/or don't care.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Nonsense. This is the ridiculous world you live in, called "the left", where people's behaviour should be governed by the opinions of moral crusaders like yourself. You're not racist? Get on your fucking knee then.
No, you live in a ridiculous world called "Ongthink", quite similar to "the right," where a simple gesture of anti-racism has evolved into something negative, associated with Marxism and "gesture politics" and "identity politics," and who-knows-what other excuse you can come up with to justify attacking it.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Taking the knee is an act of support for BLM. Pretending it's not is incredibly disingenuous.
See above. It's a simple act of showing you're against racism. Only racists and others who want to pretend there's no racism in the UK try to claim otherwise.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
BLM are a political movement, left wing ideology.
Oh right, they want to stop racism as the first step on their way to turning the world into a Marxist cult. Doesn't seem ridiculous at all.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
And believe me footballers care about their image for sponsorship reasons. I'm sure Rashford does actually care about hungry children, but he also definitely cares about his image, and so do his sponsors. That's just how football works, and has done for a long time, more so now in the age of social media.
I never said they don't care about their image; everyone does. I said the idea that they're taking the knee to win a sponsorship from Nike or Wheatabix or whoever is retarded. Because it is.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Is his wife making him wear that clothing so other women don't look at him and think "phwoarrr"?
You're being deliberately disingenuous here. You know full well the burka is worn by married women at the demand of their husband. Their religion doesn't insist on it. Their husbands do. That's why there's a lot of married Islamic women that don't wear the burka.
Is it the religion's fault, or the husbands? Make up your mind. Because first you said it was the religion's fault and that somehow made calling the women letter boxes an apt description. Now you're saying it's the husbands' fault. But either way, if you're so concerned with these oppressed women, how does making fun of them help?
Originally Posted by OngBonga
This is a really, really poor comparison and shows you have absolute no concern for the oppression of women in Islam.
Yet you care about casual jokes.
Yeah, I can see you're a real champion of the oppressed here. Calling them letter boxes is obviously not being done to ridicule them, but to liberate them from their oppressive husbands. Have another spliff.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
You think Boris reads Kipling? I'd be more inclined to say he picked it up from Powell's "Rivers of Blood" speech.
He went to Eton. They all read Kipling, at least back then. He was filmed repeating lines from Kipling when he was foreign secretary on a visit to Myanmar. That's how happily clueless he is to others' sensibilities.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
He's not in control of a racism country, and does not pass racist laws, or act racist in any way other than to make the occasional clumsy comment. And you compare him to Hitler.
I didn't compare him to Hitler. You argued leader's words and actions have no influence on racists. I showed, through an obvious example of how the words and actions of leaders can embolden racists, that that presumption is blindingly stupid.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
If there are laws in place that stop people from being saved, maybe that saves more lives in the long run by dissuading others from attempting the crossing.
lol it's a humanitarian measure.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Those that are here are treated well. They are given housing, benefits, jobs. What more can they ask for? We give them the opportunity to succeed. We also expect them to make legal applications and enter the country legally and safely.
And if not, drown them.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
The term "useful idiots" springs to mind.
Identity politics is a tool used by politicians, not civilians. The civilians are just pawns.
Still on about how BLM is trying to turn the world into Marxland I see...
Originally Posted by OngBonga
You're wrong, and I'm the proof. You just heard it from me, and I'm not a racist.
Not in any active way afaik. But you have tried to argue sevearl times that racism isn't a problem in the UK, and stuck to that argument despite being presented with evidence to the contrary. I guess that's more of a passive racism. So how about now? After the abuse the players took, do you still deny racism is a problem in the UK?
Originally Posted by OngBonga
You think it makes people look like a racist. I don't give a fuck what you think about me.
I'm not asking you to give a fuck about anything I say. I'm just pointing out how many people perceive others who take the attitude that you do.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I think you're bordering on racist at time without even realising it. Do you give a fuck that I think that?
I would if you had a point. But since you're obviously just doing it for the sake of trolling and your points have no substance, then no I don't.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Of course it is. We're being told how to think about social issues by millionaire footballers.
How is it telling us what to think? It's drawing attention to an obvious problem in society. What you think about it is up to you. It's just about getting it into your consciousness. The fact that being told that racism exists in the UK makes you uncomfortable is too bad, but it doesn't mean you should ignore it, or try to pretend it doesn't exist, and that the footballers doing it are "thick", pawns of Marxist BLM overlords, and/or trying to win a deal with Nike.
It is an amusing list of excuses not to take racism seriously. Doesn't change the fact that you're tacitly condoning racism by so eagerly grasping at such alternative explanations though. But hey, you don't care if I say that because you're not openly racist.
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