btw, good chance one of my ancestors got raped by a Viking. Does that mean I can insult Icelandic people but they can't insult me back?
06-15-2022 03:56 PM
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btw, good chance one of my ancestors got raped by a Viking. Does that mean I can insult Icelandic people but they can't insult me back? | |
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06-15-2022 04:05 PM
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Vikings came from Norway. | |
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06-15-2022 04:06 PM
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There's this crazy idea that racism is 100% past and 0% present. | |
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06-15-2022 04:07 PM
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06-15-2022 04:41 PM
#2255
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06-15-2022 05:56 PM
#2256
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06-15-2022 05:59 PM
#2257
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06-15-2022 06:10 PM
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I mean, that's a poor example as well, the word "Chinky" is clearly racist because it's used as a slur against Chinese people. But it used to be a common word for takeout Chinese food, lots of people used the word without any intention to cause offence. It's not the 1990s any more, it's no longer an acceptable term in common language. | |
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06-15-2022 07:18 PM
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I guess I have a hard time being sensitive to the feelings of racists. But I appreciate that you are. ANR it is then. | |
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06-15-2022 07:20 PM
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06-15-2022 07:54 PM
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87% eh? That's a bit higher than the black majority oppressed by whites in Apartheid South Africa. | |
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06-15-2022 08:02 PM
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I'm just pointing out that when you use language that mocks the colour of someone's skin, it kinda gives you less authority to use the word racist to describe others. You're using the word racist based on your idea of what it means, and based on your interpretation of someone else's motivations. | |
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06-15-2022 08:03 PM
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Don't forget the few thousand British whites who ruled India for a century or so. | |
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06-15-2022 08:04 PM
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It's funny you still oppose nationalism, btw. What do you think the Ukrainians fighting Russia are? | |
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06-15-2022 08:07 PM
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I'm talking about the potential for whites to be oppressed in the future. It's not even like I think it will happen, just that it could. And if it did, right now we're missing the early warning signs. | |
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06-15-2022 08:13 PM
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My view is that if someone is calling people racist names, calling them racist names back is fair game. It doesn't make me racist, because I'm not using the term to describe everyone of their colour, just the racist ones. The perjorative term in this case is tied to their attitudes, not their skin colour. | |
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06-15-2022 08:17 PM
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I don't have a problem with white people in general, I have a problem with white racists. I also have a problem with black racists and asian racists and native american racists. These latter type tend to be less vocal about their racism in public for obvious reasons than the white racists do, so it's harder to catch them at it. | |
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06-15-2022 08:23 PM
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A term black people in the States used to use to insult other blacks who they felt were too subservient to whites was "Uncle Tom." By your logic that's racist because they wouldn't apply it to anyone who wasn't black. Ergo (again by your logic) black people who used it were being racist against their own race, despite the fact they were only using UT to shame other blacks who were accepting of a race-based second class status. Does not compute. | |
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06-15-2022 08:26 PM
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Lol, this is the second ethics advisor Johnson has had who's resigned. Anybody seeing a connection here? | |
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06-15-2022 08:28 PM
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06-15-2022 08:30 PM
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Uncle Tom isn't a reference to skin colour. | |
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06-15-2022 08:32 PM
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06-15-2022 08:37 PM
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I mean maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's perfectly fine and I'm just being silly. It's just the context in which it's used, when it's coming from people who oppose racism, against people they perceive to be racist, to mock the colour of their skin seems hypocritical. You can see it from that angle, surely? | |
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06-16-2022 04:48 AM
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06-16-2022 04:59 AM
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NI protocol is part of the Brexit agreement that upholds the Good Friday Agreement. In the latter, there was a gurantee there would never be a customs border between NI and the rest of Ireland. Because Brexit requires a border somewhere between the UK and the EU single market, that meant the customs border went between NI and GB. | |
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06-16-2022 07:36 AM
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06-16-2022 07:56 AM
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06-16-2022 08:19 AM
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Last edited by CoccoBill; 06-16-2022 at 08:24 AM.
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06-16-2022 08:53 AM
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Ugh. I missed this whole convo, and there's a dozen places I'd have loved to interject some thoughts. | |
Last edited by MadMojoMonkey; 06-16-2022 at 08:56 AM.
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06-16-2022 09:44 AM
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This has been explained to you before but obviously hasn't stuck. The law doesn't say you have to stop in the first safe country. He has a right to seek asylum wherever he wants. If he chose the UK it's probably because he has family here. | |
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06-16-2022 10:07 AM
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Just to clarify, a treaty between two international polities ("international") is a legally binding agreement ("law"), so yes breaking the Brexit treaty would be breaking international law. | |
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06-16-2022 05:05 PM
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06-16-2022 05:37 PM
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06-16-2022 05:54 PM
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06-16-2022 06:13 PM
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Everything I've said is happening in regards to race is happening in the US today. | |
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06-16-2022 06:27 PM
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The more you understand the realities of racism in the world today, the more that saying someone is oppressed simply due to the color of their skin is a no-brainer. It's institutional to depths that are unthinkable. | |
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06-16-2022 06:41 PM
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I tell you a series of fact about asylum seekers and refugees and you deny they're facts, even though it's very easy to find out they are facts. | |
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06-17-2022 06:20 AM
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Well yes, indeed it was meant to be sarcastic, but that doesn't automatically mean I don't mean anything I say or that you can write a whole paragraph full of words in my mouth. Like I said, yes, technically what you said about the term "gammon" being racist I agree with, it is. But on the grand scheme of things, that's likely the least worrisome racist thing that has ever happened on this planet. I know you just view this from your own point of view, because you feel like you haven't had any preferential treatment in your life due to your skin tone, you don't want to accept that anyone else anywhere does or has either, or that systemic racism against other colors could exist. | |
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06-17-2022 11:40 AM
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06-17-2022 11:52 AM
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06-17-2022 12:02 PM
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06-17-2022 12:49 PM
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Well I assumed it was fair game, how does it feel? The difference is you've actually hinted on those things in our previous discussions. | |
06-17-2022 02:25 PM
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06-17-2022 07:12 PM
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06-17-2022 07:15 PM
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06-17-2022 07:19 PM
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06-17-2022 07:32 PM
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06-17-2022 07:36 PM
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btw, Ukrainians don't come here by flimsy boat because they are actually asylum seekers, not economic migrants. Therefore they are not motivated to risk their lives to move from France to the UK since they are safe in France. Economic migrants who will enjoy a better quality of life in the UK than in France, they are motivated to take the risk. | |
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06-17-2022 07:51 PM
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I'd assume most people would like to live in a world where color doesn't matter, but we don't live in one. Closing your eyes about it and pretending nothing's wrong isn't changing that. | |
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06-17-2022 08:33 PM
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The problem is a lack of honest interest, and listening to good people's stories. | |
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06-18-2022 02:27 AM
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06-18-2022 02:50 AM
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Ong, when you try to talk to him about issues of immigration and/or race. | |
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06-18-2022 04:22 AM
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tldr: Iranian Christians want to get to UK to avoid persecution in Iran. Only have enough money for one of them to come over from Calais at a time. First one almost drowns but gets to UK and claims asylum. Next one across gets grabbed and put on plane to Rwanda before asylum application can be heard. Eurolibard Court of Human Rights grants injunction to cancel his trip, so now his application will have to be processed in UK unless we can find some other dodge. #MEGA. | |
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06-18-2022 09:11 AM
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06-18-2022 09:23 AM
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06-18-2022 09:56 AM
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About privilege. | |
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06-18-2022 10:40 AM
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Again, you don't get to decide where they chose to claim asylum. They do. That's the agreement we signed up to. | |
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06-18-2022 10:43 AM
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I thought Brexit was going to keep us out of the goddamned EU imperial Army! Arrgggghhh!!! | |
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06-18-2022 11:57 AM
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06-18-2022 02:49 PM
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Or, they can go to any other signatory of the UN agreement on refugees. So what's your point? | |
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06-18-2022 03:25 PM
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06-18-2022 04:57 PM
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Yet we've taken over 1 m visa migrants last year. Amazing we could squeeze them all in while only accepting 14k refugees. | |
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06-18-2022 04:59 PM
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The funniest part of this is how you're trying to blame the refugees for desperately wanting to come here rather than the gov't for not giving them a decent option for getting here. | |
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06-19-2022 05:48 AM
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06-19-2022 09:05 AM
#2315
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Ikr? Why haven't these people thought of that themselves? | |
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06-19-2022 11:45 AM
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06-19-2022 11:46 AM
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There's an urban myth that the entire world's population can fit on the Isle of Wight. I hope that's based on fact. | |
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06-19-2022 01:51 PM
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Wouldn't it be safer and cheaper not to travel further as a refugee at all? I mean, these guys are vulnerable to all kinds of predators. Why would anyone travel across Germany to get to France? How much of a hellhole must Germany be? "Le Arrgggh!" | |
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06-19-2022 02:48 PM
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06-19-2022 02:49 PM
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^ 20 y/o article, I should probably check that before reading. | |
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06-19-2022 07:20 PM
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Unlike all the good faith arguments you've been making... | |
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06-19-2022 07:24 PM
#2322
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In other news, Brexit is failing because Remainers are defeatist. | |
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06-19-2022 08:04 PM
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I'm with you 100%, but the reality is that skin color comes from ancestry, and lots of people are proud of their ancestry. Lots of people are proud of their parents, grandparents, and those who made their own life possible. | |
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06-20-2022 04:10 AM
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No, we basically are not. If african elephants are on average 200kg heavier than indian ones, does that mean every random african elephant weighs 200kg more? Right? See how stupid your point is? | |
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06-20-2022 05:16 AM
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I wouldn't say it's completely separate. In fact it just makes the point of white privelege even stronger since whites tend to be richer on average than POC. | |
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