Quote Originally Posted by mojo
You can't see the difference between someone being honest and someone being dishonest to perv on women?
Of course I can see the moral difference. But what's the legal difference? Maybe I want to use the women's toilets because some dodgy looking guys just went into the men's, I might not be going in to perv. And any woman who thinks I might be there to perv is being a bigot.

This is what I don't understand. How a woman who has a problem with this is a bigot. Her reason for being uncomfortable might not be motivated by hate. I consider her objections reasonable.

...let them just pick whatever makes them feel least oppressed.
Then this applies to all across the board, equally. Including men who identify as men, if they so choose. And we're giving people the benefit of the doubt as to why they're making the choices they do. We're trusting people to be honest. I don't see how this works.

so that means we should just keep oppressing people?
I don't want to keep oppressing people. I want solutions that works for everyone, including women who don't want to shar their spaces with men who self identify as women. Forcing that on these women, that's oppression.

If it's a private bar, then they do not have to allow black people into the bar.
Well I don't know about USA but if you're a bar manager in the UK and you're stupid enough to tell someone they are not welcome because they are black, then you're in for a whole world of pain, both real world and legally. You can refuse to serve anyone for almost any reason, but race certainly is not one of them. If you're a racist asshole that doesn't want to break the law, you can refuse to serve a black person for being rude to a customer, even if he wasn't. You can make up bullshit, but you definitely don't say it's because they're black. And if you're regularly making up bullshit excuses to not serve black people, then it's all going to unravel sooner or later.

That applies to any protected group under the discrimination act, including trans people.