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[OngBonga]

I think it is relevant because accordinng to you, these girls have to use the womans bathroom:

I'm sorry, what part of "transgender facilities" confuses you?

Not that it matters to me. The first three people, I wouldn't even notice if they were in the dude's toilets. If they're lacking male genitals, it's not like they're going to squat over the urinal in full view of everyone. My position is that we should respect women when they say these first three people would make them uncomfortable if they saw them in the ladies toilet or shower.

The last one, kinda cute, I'd consider sucking her cock. I mean, assuming she has a cock, then do you think it's socially acceptable for her to be naked around young girls in a public shower at the swimming pool? We wouldn't expose these young girls to naked men, even though the vast majority of men have absolutely no intention of raping anyone.

Gender segregation is important in contexts where privacy is required. Maybe it shouldn't matter what genitals a person has, but it does. Me personally, if I accidentally walked into a room and saw you naked, I'd be somewhat horrified, and want to erase that image from my memory. On the other hand, if I accidentally walked into a room to see a hot woman naked, I'd make my apologies and walk away with a smile. Genitals certainly matter to me.

[oskar]

Segregated bathrooms for a <1% demographic is not going to happen. They could use the handicapped stall if it really is an issue to real people which I still doubt, but not every place has a handicapped bathroom either. You're talking about this like there's an epidemic of transgender women who use their gender identity to follow women into bathrooms and listen to them pee I guess. What's the actual concern here?

[MadMojoMonkey]

I'd say its a minor issue and if you're scared by the mere presence of anyone at all, regardless of their gender, you should leave that space. Prob. report to the management
And if the actual case is that someone who needed to pee went into the potty to pee and someone else was offended, then the offended party can fucking wait until they're not offended anymore.

[oskar]

the offended party can fucking wait until they're not offended anymore.

Wow! Victim blaming... wait until JK Rowling hears about this.

[OngBonga]

Segregated bathrooms for a <1% demographic is not going to happen.

Why? 1% of a city is still a lot of people. Maybe it's asking too much for every business like pubs to provide facilities for trans people, but the few that do will become popular venues for trans people.

They could use the handicapped stall

Dude you can't say "handicapped" these days you horrible bigot. I think it's "disabled" now but I might be being a horrible bigot too using that word.

You're talking about this like there's an epidemic of transgender women who use their gender identity to follow women into bathrooms and listen to them pee I guess. What's the actual concern here?

I think the concern is that if self identity is all that matters, then predatory men and misogynists can use it as an excuse to prey and harass women. You'll have to ask a woman if you want a better answer than that. Go on Twitter, find a gender critical woman who isn't a moron, and ask her why she has a problem with trans people using the same facilities as her.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I think the concern is that if self identity is all that matters, then predatory men and misogynists can use it as an excuse to prey and harass women.

These are 2 different things. One is not a problem and causes no harm to anyone and the other is not only a problem, but a crime.

Asserting that trans people are criminals is prob. not what you're trying to say, but the implication that group X can't have human rights because some unrelated group are criminals - and sure, some trans people are criminals, too - isn't right.

[OngBonga]

I know the vast majority of trans people have no criminal intent. But the same is true of men, that doesn't mean men can share public facilities like toilets and showers with women.

[OngBonga]

By saying to a man "you can't use the women's showers" you are not taking away human rights from the man. That's ridiculous. Why doesn't the same apply for trans people?