*** OFFICIAL BREXIT SUNLIT UPLANDS and #MEGA THREAD ***

[OngBonga]

Half of our trade is with the EU. They're not on that list.

Haha fuck me, the EU aren't on a list of non-EU countries and trading blocs we've signed agreements with.

The UK is seeking to reproduce the effects of existing EU agreements for when they no longer apply to the UK.

This doesn't imply WTO. You don't "sign" an agreement to trade under WTO rules, that's what happens if you don't sign an agreement.

The USA are a little lower on this page, with Australia and NZ under MRA's. These deals "replicate the effect of existing EU arrangements."

And you mention oranges. They currently mostly come from Spain. Assuming we don't agree a deal with the EU, we'll likely buy our oranges from elsewhere, perhaps South America. Who does that hurt? The UK? Or Spain?

[Poopadoop]

Haha fuck me, the EU aren't on a list of non-EU countries and trading blocs we've signed agreements with.

The point is that we don't have a deal with the EU. If you want to consider a deal with the Faroe Islands and all those other tiny trading partners as some kind of big win, then that just shows how desperate you are to find a silver lining in this massive cloud of shit.

This doesn't imply WTO. You don't "sign" an agreement to trade under WTO rules, that's what happens if you don't sign an agreement.

Am only referring to WTO because the gov't have been very liberal in what they have touted as a "deal." And something tells me you haven't properly investigated the value of these various "deals."

The USA are a little lower on this page, with Australia and NZ under MRA's. These deals "replicate the effect of existing EU arrangements."

Wait, so we left the EU to make our own trade deals that mostly haven't happened, and when they have, replicate the deals that we used to have when we were in the EU?

Genius.

And you mention oranges. They currently mostly come from Spain. Assuming we don't agree a deal with the EU, we'll likely buy our oranges from elsewhere, perhaps South America. Who does that hurt? The UK? Or Spain?

It hurts us if we have to buy our oranges from further away; shipping costs money. And if were buying from a country outside of the EU that we don't have a free trade agreement with (i.e., all of them), then that means tariffs. And tariffs increase prices.

That means when you buy an orange after Brexit you will be paying more for it than you were before. And it's not just oranges, it's all the other things (half our imports) that will either come from the EU with WTO rules or some further country with whatever tariffs are on them.

But really, I don't know why I bother explaining the same basic economic facts to you over and over again when all you ever do is stick your fingers in your ears and argue that 2+2=5. .

I'm also not sure what the impact on Spain has to do with it. Did you vote for Brexit to help the UK or to hurt Spain?