NFL Free Agency and NFL DRAFT!!!!

[lolzzz_321]

holt wants out of STL

49ers sign huard (lol) and takeo spikes re-sgined

NO signs Jabari Greer, hopefully he replaces that midget guy, Jason David?

simms going to sign with denver

phil buchanon going to lions, im sure ensign_lee loves this guy

Broncos have like 9034832904820384 RBs arrington, lamont jordan, buckhalter, torrain, selvin young, andre hall, tatum bell...

coles to cinci

warner staying with ariz

i thought he texans should have gotten benson, but ehhh he is a moran, sure they can pick a RB sometime in the draft

[ProZachNation]

One less player to discuss
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29496345/

I had to do it

[dranger7070]

They'll take Stafford

If they do, it better be so they can trade him away because seriously, the last thing Detroit needs right now is another Joey Harrington.

Seriously though, we have Dante Culpepper which is fine for now, while Drew Stanton takes ANOTHER year (still don't understand that btw) to learn.

I don't understand why they would take him in the 2nd round if they weren't going to start grooming him to take over some day. Hopefully they give him a few starts this year and lets see how he handles it.

No sense in putting more money into an offense that can score 35 points a game if the defense is giving up 42, you know?

DRAFT DEFENSIVE PLAYERS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD LIONS!!!

[dranger7070]

Actually, I'm checking out the NFL website and looking over the Lion's free agent deals so far, and it seems like they are really focusing on shoring up the defense this way (thank god, its about time).

Picked up DT Grady Jackson from the Falcons, which is a plus because we needed a big DT after releasing the Big Baby Shaun Rogers. Lets hope he can actually stop a run or two.

[kingnat]

Cowboys cut TO!!!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3953647

[Jack Sawyer]

Holt also out of STL

What a coincidence! A spot just opened up in Dallas...

[Ragnar4]

TO to the 'Durrrrs' anyone? Silver and Black, destroying the team one play at a time. Questioning Jamarcus Russels sexuality after a week and a half. It would be brilliant! I'm truly rooting for it.

I'm scared the Broncos may look to him as an option because of the Brandon Marshall Stupidity. Fill an immediate hole, have 3 big time playmakers catching balls... Be able to have a dangerous 4-wide.. yeah.. but he's a one year stopgap, and he'd destroy an already fragile locker room, and would render probably the next 5 years of cutlers career to "rebuilding mediocrity" instead helping it to the next level...

I'm totally against him ending up in Denver. I hear KC may look at him too. I'm ok with that.

[dranger7070]

I heard that the Patriots my be looking at him. They got a strong coach and strong quarterback that aint gonna take any of his shit, so that would be a sick passing attack if that happened. My poor poor Colts

[swiggidy]

This dude writes good:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl,146257

Please, please, please let this happen

[Silly String]

I hear KC may look at him too. I'm ok with that.

No shot! From what I hear, Todd Haley's run ins with TO in Dallas are still fresh in his mind. Remember this is the guy that claimed national notoriety by yelling at his wide receiver & QB on the sidelines during their playoff run. He also just told the nicest guy in the Chiefs' locker room to go f*** himself a couple weeks ago. Pioli knows this is not a fit.

Now, Holt? We have cap space.

[kingnat]

TO signs with da Bills!

[Jack Sawyer]

The bills now need a QB.

Damn, TO and Lee Evans might be very awesome. Now just a QB.

Stafford or Sanchez this year, or wait for Tebow next year?

[Taicho]

No more Rex Grossman, yesssssssssss

[Taicho]

No more Rex Grossman, yesssssssssss

[Jack Sawyer]

Hey Rams:

draft Jason Smith (OT, Baylor), Joel Bell (OT Furman), Cornelius Ingram (TE, Florida) try to get your hands on Ted Ginn Jr (Trade Marc Bulger if needed imo), and proceed to lose 14 to 15 games this season, so next season you can draft Tim Tebow.

The Greatest Show on Turf V2 imo

[dthorne04]

Will the Eagles be logical and trade like a 1st/3rd for Boldin? PROBABLY NOT. ONE TIME PLEASE.

[kingnat]

Cory Redding traded to the Seahags for Julian Peterson!!

[Ragnar4]

Jay Cutler doesn't wanna play for the Broncos anymore IMO. Detroit for their #1?

[dranger7070]

God I hope not. Like, Detroit needs a QB, but it can wait til next season. I say trade away the pick for a later 1st round pick and another 2nd or 3rd or even 4th if someone is willing. We need to work on the defense and O-line before we start chasing QBs around like we did receivers. Besides, Cutler is good, but I don't think he's worth a 1st overall pick.

[will641]

Patriots signing fred taylor is good imo

it kind of reminds of them signing corey dillon a few years back. what is it with them and signing fossil rbs?

[will641]

God I hope not. Like, Detroit needs a [insert any position], but it can wait til next season.

fyp

[lolzzz_321]

They signed a fossil WR too, Galloway.

Dante Stallworth hit someone with his car

[bigspenda73]

Jay Cutler doesn't wanna play for the Broncos anymore IMO. Detroit for their #1?

I don't see why not, there was some cool study done on ESPN and it seems Stafford falls into the Akili Smith level of QBs coming out of college.

He has a big arm but no one mentions that his completion % for his career was like 57%, and, as the article said, QBs typically do not increase the accuracy % from college to the NFL.

edit: http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcnorth/...rd-debate.html

[lshion]

I think these trades still won't make a difference for the each team because the play so horrible.

[Lukie]

Will the Eagles be logical and trade like a 1st/3rd for Boldin? PROBABLY NOT. ONE TIME PLEASE.

trading a 1 and 3 for boldin would not be logical

[dranger7070]

God I hope not. Like, Detroit needs a [anything but a receiver], but it can wait til next season.

fyp

Much more accurate imo.

Aaron Curry FTW

[WildBobAA]

The Lions are resuming talks with the Broncos about Cutler.

[Ragnar4]

FU "Bus" Cook, FU right were you discharge anally

[Jack Sawyer]

yo yo yo, Peppers to NE wat

[yourfather]

[quote="Jack Sawyer"]yo yo yo, Peppers to NE wat[/quote

I hope so. Front 7 would be so sick.

[Lukie]

under the assumption that the pats would have to send over a high pick (maybe the one from KC) AND pay a huge contract, they'd be better off not doing it. that's the problem with trading for a bigtime player-- you have to give up a high pick (or picks) and pay a huge contract. like you're giving up the ability to draft and sign maybe 3-4 quality players for one superstar (hopefully). thats why the pats and other successful teams very rarely do it.

[bigspenda73]

gg Donte Stallworth

[Lukie]

gg Donte Stallworth

[swiggidy]

gg Donte Stallworth

[a500lbgorilla]

im having difficulty reading between the smiley faces and cant find the time or desire to find read about what happened unless someone wants to give me it here.

35 yrs in prison or sumtin?

[swiggidy]

im having difficulty reading between the smiley faces and cant find the time or desire to find read about what happened unless someone wants to give me it here.

35 yrs in prison or sumtin?

I wish I had more time so I could MS paint this for you

[Lukie]

im having difficulty reading between the smiley faces and cant find the time or desire to find read about what happened unless someone wants to give me it here.

35 yrs in prison or sumtin?

short version: donte stallworth fails at football and life, and so does phil savage.

i think someone died in there too and stallworth is going to get charged with dui manslaughter, which carries a 15 year max sentence. i think it's unlikely he spends more than a year in jail, but he's in big trouble. blood tests, de-facto confession, witness, etc.

[ensign_lee]

Hey Bob,

Apparently we picked up one of your old D-linemen: Shaun Cody. Tell me about him please?

All I know about him was pre-lions stuff at USC.

[WildBobAA]

Hey Bob,

Apparently we picked up one of your old D-linemen: Shaun Cody. Tell me about him please?

All I know about him was pre-lions stuff at USC.

He's not terrible.

Our new logo got leaked today

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/...ally-revealed/

[ensign_lee]

I like the new logo. Maybe the meaner lion can do the same stuff for y'all that the meaner cardinal did for the Cardinals?

[Lukie]

theory: the Lion's second round pick (#33 overall) is more valuable than their first round pick (#1 overall).

[kingnat]

theory: the Lion's second round pick (#33 overall) is more valuable than their first round pick (#1 overall).

There actually have been some studies that claim the most valuable pick in the entire draft is like the 27th pick in the 1st round or something.

Various people have tried measures of success of a players, and that's really the hardest part... how do rate steals, busts, trades, players on new teams, etc... it sound simple, but plenty of complications arise.

The main reason it's more "valuable" is due to the f'ing retarded structure of the contracts given to the top 5 picks... (getting progressively worse as you get to the #1 pick); the latter 1st round picks still get a chunk of money but are an INCREDIBLE steal compared to the top of the draft. Basically the decrease in talent doesn't fit the decrease in $$$ paid in contracts. The Lions would be pure geniuses if they could find any way to move out of the #1 overall spot.. even if it meant dropping down for a 4th rounder... the money saved on the player would be worth it.

I'm still waiting for a franchise to have the balls to just blatantly stall and let other teams pick in front of them... but that's not likely to happen. The Vikings CLAIMED they did that intentially in the 2003 draft, but I think there were several sources that claimed they actually got stuck on the phone with the Ravens or something.. and got lucky landing Kevin Williams.

[WildBobAA]

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf...re_willin.html

[Ragnar4]

Uhh, draft the guy, and then let him sit out and pay him his league minimum.

If a team were interested in playing hardball right away, and nipped the problem in the bud, they'd set a standard and example for the rest of the NFL.

Although, here pretty quick the NFL will obv adopt the NBA CBA Rookie payment rule. That was pure genious.

[Jack Sawyer]

The money given to first picks over the years have been idiotic. Somehow its gotten the notion that its a lottery: get picked first and you won, humongous contract, gg need to prove yourself capable of playing with the big boys.
We need a ton more Tony Mandarich's and Ryan Leaf's (and possibly Alex Smith's) before someone gets to his senses and actually pays a ROOKIE rookie money.

Say you picked Joe Staley in the first round this year. Numero uno pick. Give the man a $6~7M, 3 year salary plus incentives since he is fucking rookie, and if he proves himself worthy of whatever bigger money, at the end of 2nd year you reneg and give him a big fat 7 yr extension a s reward. Club does not lose money, player does win a lot of money based on his actual performance.

[Jack Sawyer]

Ryan[12] scored a 32 on the Wonderlic exam, tying Louisville's Brian Brohm for the highest score by a quarterback in 2008.[13][14] He was drafted third overall by the Atlanta Falcons in the 2008 NFL Draft[15][16][17] He was the second first-round pick of the year to sign when he agreed to a six-year contract on May 20. The contract had an overall value of $72 million and contained $34.75 million in guaranteed money.[18] The contract made Ryan the 4th highest paid player in the NFL behind Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, and Carson Palmer, despite never having played a professional game.[19] This helped fuel the discussion regarding whether rookies in the NFL were overpaid and if there is a need for a rookie salary cap.[20] In addition, Ryan has signed endorsement deals with Nike[21] and AirTran.[22] He entered the 2008 season competing against former starter Chris Redman for the Falcons' starting quarterback position.

holy shit, they are discussing it? how can it not be obviouser and get immediately implemented?

[kingnat]

Uhh, draft the guy, and then let him sit out and pay him his league minimum.

If a team were interested in playing hardball right away, and nipped the problem in the bud, they'd set a standard and example for the rest of the NFL.

Although, here pretty quick the NFL will obv adopt the NBA CBA Rookie payment rule. That was pure genious.

Um... that's not how it would work actually... by drafting him, you don't have to pay him anything, you simply hold his NFL rights for 1 year. If you don't reach an agreement on a contract, the player simply re-enters the draft the next season. What Mike Florio has advocated for teams with the #1 overall pick to offer lowball contracts to any one of the 3-4 players... and see if he can get one of them to take a 'better' deal for the team... maybe like offer Aaron Curry something like less than what the #3 pick last year made... with some inflated BS 6th and 7th year contract numbers... but not even that has happened yet.

There have actually been a few cases similar to this in baseball. See J.D. Drew.

[Hawk]

The obvious answer is that all agents should be forced to follow the master p methods of contract negotiation.

[Lukie]

There actually have been some studies that claim the most valuable pick in the entire draft is like the 27th pick in the 1st round or something.

My thinking was right outside the huge money deals in the first round which has gotten outside the top 5 and more like the top 8 or so in recent years. So, I figured the best spots to pick (in the first round) were 10-12 or so, maybe early teens.

27 isn't all the surprising though although obviously I have no idea how the study was conducted and what variables were used. One thing to consider though is that later picking teams tend to be better and have better coaching staffs. Take Haloti Ngata for instance.. the guy is an animal. If the Browns had taken him though, I'm not so sure he'd be anything special.

The main reason it's more "valuable" is due to the f'ing retarded structure of the contracts given to the top 5 picks... (getting progressively worse as you get to the #1 pick); the latter 1st round picks still get a chunk of money but are an INCREDIBLE steal compared to the top of the draft. Basically the decrease in talent doesn't fit the decrease in $$$ paid in contracts. The Lions would be pure geniuses if they could find any way to move out of the #1 overall spot.. even if it meant dropping down for a 4th rounder... the money saved on the player would be worth it.

It's funny because the Browns have been picked in the top 5 three times of late, and Browns fans are always talking about trading down. Trade down so you stockpile picks and don't have to pay the huge contract.. the only problem is that NFL GM's typically aren't brain-dead and aren't going to give up precious drarft picks for the "right" to pay a rookie a massive contract (few exceptions here, of course).

[zook]

It's funny that the fans of teams who always pick high complain that they should trade down and the fans of teams (like the Eagles) that always trade down complain that they should pick high or trade up. Lot of variance in drafting.

[Hawk]

It's funny that the fans of teams who always pick high complain that they should trade down and the fans of teams (like the Eagles) that always trade down complain that they should pick high or trade up. Lot of variance in drafting.

It is funny but it makes sense.

Teams picking high probably need more help than one star player can offer. They probably need help in a lot of areas. Better teams would tend to have fewer holes to fill, and adding a star player could easily be enough to push a good team to become a great team.

[Ragnar4]

Denver Broncos finally give in.

Give Cutler agreement to trade.

Good luck in Detroit.

[kingnat]

Profootballtalk.com is reporting that the 'Skins are actually the lead candidates to land him... surprising as that may seem.

[bigspenda73]

not surprising at all, 'skins are a slightly more successful Raiders

[Ragnar4]

Pro football talk dot com is a giant pile of garbage and seems to have a 25% accuracy when it's all said and done.

That having been said, This might probably fall in the accurate 25%. The skins have been known to give up the farm for a bale of hay.

[WildBobAA]

Yeah, I'm not sure we are going to get him anymore. Apparently Stafford had a great workout and really impressed the coaching staff, but we'll see.

[bigspenda73]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4033632

ups

[Jack Sawyer]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4033632

ups

[Ragnar4]

And the Broncos want 2 first round picks for Cutler, a QB is not a need.

Wild, does this mean Simms is the man in Denver now?

[WildBobAA]

Cutler traded to da Bears!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037373

[Jack Sawyer]

Yeah, I'm not sure we are going to get him anymore. Apparently Stafford had a great workout and really impressed the coaching staff, but we'll see.

So did Joey Harrington.

[WildBobAA]

Yeah, I'm not sure we are going to get him anymore. Apparently Stafford had a great workout and really impressed the coaching staff, but we'll see.

So did Joey Harrington.

thnx

[Ragnar4]

Cutler traded to da Bears!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037373

oh jesus christ.

[dranger7070]

Cutler traded to da Bears!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037373

oh jesus christ.

This made me lol

[Lukie]

WOW!! I didn't see this one coming. Two firsts, a third, and Orton for Cutler.

So the other day there was a huge thread about Cutler on a Browns board that I check every once in a while, and people were throwing out all sorts of stupid and laughable trade proposals to get Cutler. For example, one was Brady Quinn, a 6th round pick, and Corey Williams (who we aquired for a 2nd rounder last year, thank you phil savage , got paid big $$$, then disappeared) for Jay Culter.

cliffs notes: some people are delusional idiots.

Back on topic, that is a HUGE package that Chicago put together, and now they probably have to pay him as well. I actually kind of like it though, because there really would be no other way for Chicago to land a QB of Cutler's caliber in the near future.

[dranger7070]

WOW!! I didn't see this one coming. Two firsts, a third, and Orton for Cutler.

So the other day there was a huge thread about Cutler on a Browns board that I check every once in a while, and people were throwing out all sorts of stupid and laughable trade proposals to get Cutler. For example, one was Brady Quinn, a 6th round pick, and Corey Williams (who we aquired for a 2nd rounder last year, thank you phil savage , got paid big $$$, then disappeared) for Jay Culter.

cliffs notes: some people are delusional idiots.

Back on topic, that is a HUGE package that Chicago put together, and now they probably have to pay him as well. I actually kind of like it though, because there really would be no other way for Chicago to land a QB of Cutler's caliber in the near future.

You got the trade mixed up a lil bit:

Bears: Two first round picks, Kyle Orton
Denver: Jay Cutler, 3rd round pick

[Ragnar4]

WOW!! I didn't see this one coming. Two firsts, a third, and Orton for Cutler.

So the other day there was a huge thread about Cutler on a Browns board that I check every once in a while, and people were throwing out all sorts of stupid and laughable trade proposals to get Cutler. For example, one was Brady Quinn, a 6th round pick, and Corey Williams (who we aquired for a 2nd rounder last year, thank you phil savage , got paid big $$$, then disappeared) for Jay Culter.

cliffs notes: some people are delusional idiots.

Back on topic, that is a HUGE package that Chicago put together, and now they probably have to pay him as well. I actually kind of like it though, because there really would be no other way for Chicago to land a QB of Cutler's caliber in the near future.

You got the trade mixed up a lil bit:

Bears: Two first round picks, Kyle Orton
Denver: Jay Cutler, 3rd round pick

I had seen that it was as complicated as
Bears: This years 1st, next years first, this years third, kyle orton.
Broncos: This years 5th, Cutler, 6-pack of beer.

[dranger7070]

lol the 6-pack totally makes it worth it, although i might hold out for a case :/

[a500lbgorilla]

broncos could improve roster 10 fold by cutting orton

[Ragnar4]

it gets upgraded to a case if next years 5th rounder plays more than 10% of the snaps and doesn't end up working at UPS before 2011.

[dranger7070]

I <3 the way this convo has turned lol. It would be so epic if they traded players for various amounts of alcohol...

[Lukie]

WOW!! I didn't see this one coming. Two firsts, a third, and Orton for Cutler.

So the other day there was a huge thread about Cutler on a Browns board that I check every once in a while, and people were throwing out all sorts of stupid and laughable trade proposals to get Cutler. For example, one was Brady Quinn, a 6th round pick, and Corey Williams (who we aquired for a 2nd rounder last year, thank you phil savage , got paid big $$$, then disappeared) for Jay Culter.

cliffs notes: some people are delusional idiots.

Back on topic, that is a HUGE package that Chicago put together, and now they probably have to pay him as well. I actually kind of like it though, because there really would be no other way for Chicago to land a QB of Cutler's caliber in the near future.

You got the trade mixed up a lil bit:

Bears: Two first round picks, Kyle Orton
Denver: Jay Cutler, 3rd round pick

This trade has been reported so many different ways. For example, PFT has the original story and 3 different updates, so 4 different reports coming from 3 different sources.

According to NFL.com: http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...o&confirm=true

Broncos get: 1st round pick ('09), 1st round pick ('10), 3rd round pick ('09), QB Kyle Orton

Bears get: QB Jay Cutler, 5th round pick ('09)

[dranger7070]

Ah ok, my bad. I just repeated what was on ESPN :/

[kingnat]

To whom is this Jay Cutler guy throwing the football?

Kyle Orton may not be a world crusher... but Rashid Davis, Devin Hester, and Greg Olson aren't exactly re-writing record books.

[a500lbgorilla]

you must not know many bears fans. Ill help fill the void.

*slap* shut your fcking mouth!