Quote Originally Posted by ImSavy View Post
People that use heroin are doing so due to a choice they are making that is usually a result of a pretty situation which it is an escape from. It's been shown that drug addictions are much less crippling both in terms of dealing with them and getting them in the first place in better off societies.
Obv. My point is... that person probably doesn't want to be addicted to heroine, they just want to feel better for a while. But they do something - which they have no reason to claim ignorance of - which will almost 100% have them addicted to heroine. My point is that person's choice to use heroine is explained as a choice to maximize utility.

My point is that same person at that same moment not doing heroine is said to choose to not do heroine in order to maximize their utility.

So no matter the outcome, it's said that the impetus was identical. What's the utility in this word? That's all I ask.

Quote Originally Posted by ImSavy View Post
When people are making choices what exactly do you think is driving those choices?
IDK. People lie about why they do things all the do da day. I have observed that some people exhibit self-destructive behavior and will admit to as much when asked.

I only know that I sometimes make choices with low risk and I sometimes make choices with high risk. I sometimes make choices which I know will have negative consequences. I frequently do things which undermine my conscious goals.

Quote Originally Posted by ImSavy View Post
Not that I don't agree that it's a fairly empty definition due to how vague it is & how poorly understood what really drives are decisions are.
To be clear, I'm not saying the thin definition is bad. I'm saying I don't see the utility in offering it as a starting point if it's not used as a foundation for greater understanding.

To me, it's no different than saying, "People have noses." Whether or not it's true is beside the point. What does it have to do with economics? / How can it help me to understand the economic world in which I find myself?