Let's talk about the impending apocalypse for a bit.

[wufwugy]

Stolen from reddit. I lol'd. It's not far from the truth.

The libs persons of importance is something like: muslims > blacks > transgenders > lesbians > gays > latinos > kombucha > asians > farm to table produce > indians > fixed gear bikes > native americans > cnidarians > venomous snakes > white babies > dental plaque > whale excrement > dengue fever > whites

[a500lbgorilla]

It is, you dumbass.

[wufwugy]

Make a more accurate one, you all knowing monk.

[a500lbgorilla]

Make a more accurate one, you all knowing monk.

sure, me > you

[a500lbgorilla]

I ain't never met 1 single muslim that was greater than bar > me.

[wufwugy]

I ain't never met 1 single muslim that was greater than bar > me.

I don't understand.

[a500lbgorilla]

I don't understand.

I'm better than all muslims.

[OngBonga]

I'm better than all muslims.

Change this to all male Muslims, and I won't argue the toss.

[wufwugy]

TIL Rilla tops the SJW Hierarchy of Important Oppressed Peoples.

[a500lbgorilla]

dunno what that is, but so long as I'm on top, lets go!

[wufwugy]

If institutional racism was a meaningful concept, its elements would be found on a case by case basis. But investigators don't seem to find them. The idea of institutional racism is a compelling transformation spawned from white guilt.

[OngBonga]

"I'm not racist and..."

said noone never.

[OngBonga]

Is wuf really denying the existence of institutional racism (question mark is fucking broke and the zero so I cant close this bracket

[wufwugy]

Is wuf really denying the existence of institutional racism (question mark is fucking broke and the zero so I cant close this bracket

Disparity in outcomes is not racism. What is your best example of institutional racism?

[MadMojoMonkey]

Disparity in outcomes is not racism. What is your best example of institutional racism?

How about "The New Deal"

It was a federal program which allowed the banks to continue their practice of labeling predominantly black neighborhoods as "high likelihood of default" and to summarily refuse loans for anyone living in those neighborhoods. It disproportionately funneled money into white families, allowing them to buy homes in new suburbs and send their children to college. The legacy of this is far from dead. Many of those white kids are still working professional careers which they only have because their parents could get loans.

It is not wholly relevant if the policy has ended, because the legacy lives on and continues to alter the economic landscape of America. It is good that the policy has ended, but time has not erased the results.

[wufwugy]

How about "The New Deal"

It was a federal program which allowed the banks to continue their practice of labeling predominantly black neighborhoods as "high likelihood of default" and to summarily refuse loans for anyone living in those neighborhoods. It disproportionately funneled money into white families, allowing them to buy homes in new suburbs and send their children to college. The legacy of this is far from dead. Many of those white kids are still working professional careers which they only have because their parents could get loans.

It is not wholly relevant if the policy has ended, because the legacy lives on and continues to alter the economic landscape of America. It is good that the policy has ended, but time has not erased the results.

You'll get no argument from me about literal institutional racism (meaning racism by institution by government mandates and/or incentives). Perhaps I mistook the meaning of the phrase you were using. Its common definition as thrown about on the internet is very loosely based on the sociology form of the phrase, which isn't necessarily about literal institutions. It's stuff like "White people don't buy phones when pictured with black hands at the same rate they do white hands. Institutional racism!"

But, yes, you're right. The government is very racist. Fuck the government and its racism. I couldn't agree with you more. :winkface

[a500lbgorilla]

How about "The New Deal"

It was a federal program which allowed the banks to continue their practice of labeling predominantly black neighborhoods as "high likelihood of default" and to summarily refuse loans for anyone living in those neighborhoods. It disproportionately funneled money into white families, allowing them to buy homes in new suburbs and send their children to college. The legacy of this is far from dead. Many of those white kids are still working professional careers which they only have because their parents could get loans.

It's called negotiating.

[OngBonga]

Disparity in outcomes is not racism. What is your best example of institutional racism?

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...rime-minister/

[wufwugy]

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...rime-minister/

It was my mistake to suggest that the literal institutional racism of literal government institutions doesn't exist.

Also, this shit happens to whites too. Nobody seems to care though so the media doesn't care.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Is wuf really denying the existence of institutional racism (question mark is fucking broke and the zero so I cant close this bracket

Seems so.

[wufwugy]

One mistake I've made is not acknowledging that literal institutional racism does exist, but explicitly against whites (and Asians). This includes the literal institution of affirmative action. This is racism that hurts everybody. It does things like misplacing some people into universities that are above their skill level (and they do poorly or flunk) while displacing others who are fit for those universities.

[wufwugy]

If you read the wiki on institutional racism, it's a mess. The first paragraph says that it's hard to see. No, literal institutional racism is not hard to see whatsoever. All it takes is law involving the government's differential treatment by race.

[wufwugy]

LOL wow.

"When white terrorists bomb a black church and kill five black children, that is an act of individual racism, widely deplored by most segments of the society. But when in that same city--Birmingham, Alabama--five hundred black babies die each year because of the lack of power, food, shelter and medical facilities, and thousands more are destroyed and maimed physically, emotionally and intellectually because of conditions of poverty and discrimination in the black community, that is a function of institutional racism. When a black family moves into a home in a white neighborhood and is stoned, burned or routed out, they are victims of an overt act of individual racism which many people will condemn--at least in words. But it is institutional racism that keeps black people locked in dilapidated slum tenements, subject to the daily prey of exploitative slumlords, merchants, loan sharks and discriminatory real estate agents. The society either pretends it does not know of this latter situation, or is in fact incapable of doing anything meaningful about it."

Talk about disastrously bad reasoning.

[OngBonga]

Sorry wrong article...

this is the one I meant...

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...-now-official/

[wufwugy]

What's the point?

[OngBonga]

The UK doesnt charge white people with terrorism.

[wufwugy]

The UK doesnt charge white people with terrorism.

That's racism if you can show that the charges were unfounded and the investigators or prosecutors didn't care and instead they based it on his race.

[OngBonga]

That's racism if you can show that the charges were unfounded and the investigators or prosecutors didn't care and instead they based it on his race.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-30247980

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...anchester-bomb

Note the BBC article doesnt even tell us what he was actually charged with, in an effort to obscure the institutional racism at work here. The BBC is, of course, the closest thing we have to state controlled media. Only they pretend to be unbiased. Hilarious.

[OngBonga]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ngham-24675040

Holy fuck they told us he got charged with murder instead of trying to keep it a secret.

Anyway, this is terrorism when the defendant is a Muslim.

[OngBonga]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...United_Kingdom

Not the best article seeing as it only goes to 2006 but take a look at the names and see if you notice a theme...

[wufwugy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...United_Kingdom

Not the best article seeing as it only goes to 2006 but take a look at the names and see if you notice a theme...

You're listening to the wrong ideas.

[OngBonga]

You're listening to the wrong ideas.

Oh.

[OngBonga]

Anyway, terrorism is the perfect example of institutional racism in the world today. White people are not terrorists, they are murderers.

[wufwugy]

Yep.

[OngBonga]

Forgive me, I thought I was tasked with demonstrating that institutional racism exists. Have I failed?

[wufwugy]

Yes. You're showing something that is not racism but disparate outcomes based on arbitrary standards.

So most terrorists are Muslims. Charging more Muslims with terrorism does not signify racism of any sort. However, if you could find that the institutions standards for charging were different from different races, then yes you would have institutional racism. It would be racism by an institution. The weaksauce common usage of "institutional racism" on the internet is one where there isn't racism in the first place.

[Savy]

Yes. You're showing something that is not racism but disparate outcomes based on arbitrary standards.

So most terrorists are Muslims. Charging more Muslims with terrorism does not signify racism of any sort. However, if you could find that the institutions standards for charging were different from different races, then yes you would have institutional racism. It would be racism by an institution. The weaksauce common usage of "institutional racism" on the internet is one where there isn't racism in the first place.

That isn't what he's talking about at all. The UK media (& I imagine the US is worse) really has confined the word terrorist to mean muslims. Other terrorist attacks carried out by christians or whoever else it may be don't get called terrorist attacks & the people committing them certainly aren't branded terrorists.

It doesn't fit the narrative. Although the trouble in Ireland has obviously died down a lot in my lifetime any events over there are never called terrorism in the news.

[OngBonga]

Yes. You're showing something that is not racism but disparate outcomes based on arbitrary standards.

So most terrorists are Muslims. Charging more Muslims with terrorism does not signify racism of any sort. However, if you could find that the institutions standards for charging were different from different races, then yes you would have institutional racism. It would be racism by an institution. The weaksauce common usage of "institutional racism" on the internet is one where there isn't racism in the first place.

Not "most" terroists... "all".

Not since the IRA days have we had a white terrorist. Thanks savy for reminding me of them. But yeah, they are no longer referred to as terrorists.

[wufwugy]

Sounds like bad reporting and racism.

This is what I'm talking about when I denigrate the idea of institutional racism:

Institutional racism is the differential access to the goods, services, and opportunities of society. When the differential access becomes integral to institutions, it becomes common practice, making it difficult to rectify. Eventually, this racism dominates public bodies, private corporations, public and private universities, and is reinforced by the actions of conformists and newcomers. Another difficulty in reducing institutionalized racism is that there is no sole, true identifiable perpetrator. When racism is built into the institution, it emerges as the collective action of the population.

It's a bullshit idea of racism existing without racism.

[OngBonga]

This is what I'm talking about when I denigrate the idea of institutional racism:

Institutional racism is the differential access to the goods, services, and opportunities of society. When the differential access becomes integral to institutions, it becomes common practice, making it difficult to rectify. Eventually, this racism dominates public bodies, private corporations, public and private universities, and is reinforced by the actions of conformists and newcomers. Another difficulty in reducing institutionalized racism is that there is no sole, true identifiable perpetrator. When racism is built into the institution, it emerges as the collective action of the population.

Oh. Not this?

All it takes is law involving the government's differential treatment by race.

[wufwugy]

Oh. Not this?

Yes, not that. I clarified earlier. People use "institutional racism" to mean two different things. One is literal racism by literal institutions. That's a real thing. The other is some froo froo make-believe "oh you'll see it if you look hard enough because everybody knows that disparity=racism" flim flam.

[OngBonga]

Yes, not that. I clarified earlier. People use "institutional racism" to mean two different things. One is literal racism by literal institutions. That's a real thing. The other is some froo froo make-believe "oh you'll see it if you look hard enough because everybody knows that disparity=racism" flim flam.

Yes, but charging Muslims with terrorism, and non Muslims with murder, for similar offences, is not make believe "you'll see it if you try hard enough" racism. I'm a little confused why you don't recognise this for what it is.

[wufwugy]

Yes, but charging Muslims with terrorism, and non Muslims with murder, for similar offences, is not make believe "you'll see it if you try hard enough" racism. I'm a little confused why you don't recognise this for what it is.

Sounds like it's an abuse by employees of an institution (at the very least) based on race. I have no problem calling that institutional racism.

The phrase is used to mean two totally different things. I thought you were getting at the other ridiculous meaning.

[CoccoBill]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/omar-a...b_8718000.html

[OngBonga]

We just had a white dude kill a serving MP. He had links to a neo Nazi group. He was a far right extremist. He got charged with murder.

This is not rogue employees were talking of here. This is rogue policy.