Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
closed borders and tight immigration is a terrible policy because it makes for no better way to solidify the welfare state and all the awful that comes with it.

the claim that immigration harms the domestic economy by lowering wages is total bullshit. trade (immigrant labor is trade) increases consumer surplus by a greater degree than it reduces producer surplus. it's kinda the easiest known way to increase prosperity.

immigrants outperform domestics on social mobility.

i suggest cracking down on illegal immigration, increasing legal immigration, and profiling.
Can you elaborate on why this is? Some of us don't understand what is so good about immigration and the benfits pumping up the numbers.

What are your thoughts on implementing some sort of flexible immigration policy? Example: the current job climate is very unfavorable for national citizens, and adding more people to the pile will only dilute the unemployment numbers even further, we forget about immigration and focus on strengthening things at home.

To illustrate what I'm saying, consider a situation where you have a family of 5 persons. Wife and 3 kids. All are healthy and seen as leaders among the community. Your family takes in kids off the street and provides for them, gives the food, shelter, some guidance etc. Your family is able to do this because your family is a strong unit that has all of its basic needs taken care of, is secure, healthy, and ready to open its arms.

But then one day all of your family members but yourself are involved in a serious traffic accident and require 24/7 home care. You now bear the responsibility of taking care of your family yourself (you have to feed them yourself because they are incapable at the moment) and you have to keep working to pay the bills whilst manually doing a lot of things for your family that they otherwise were capable of doing themselves prior to the accident.

Are you going to keep bringing kids in off the street and provide for them too while you struggle to even meet the basic needs of feeding your own? If you do, everyone will be worse off as everyone will only partially have their needs met and this would surely create more chaos.

Now blow that example up to a macro scale where you have a country full of people unable to take care of themselves, and the government wants to bring in more people that require 'taking care of'? Sounds like we should at least get our shit together first.

Immigration and immigration policy isn't something I understand very well though, so perhaps I am off base with immigrants = taking jobs and instead perhaps immigrants = creating more jobs. But that is the way I perceive it and would need to see some sort of evidence to suggest this isn't the case. Here in Canada a lot of offices will ask on an application if you are a visible minority, or a homosexual, or transgender etc. as they are preferred to be hired for the sake of increasing diversity in the workplace. Making things too diverse thus decreases the chances of traditional national citizens obtaining certain jobs.