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    Yes. Probably a common misconception, since even some dictionaries do not get it right it seems.

    Astrology (from Greek: ἄστρον, ἄστρου{ástron, ástrou}, "star"; and λόγος, λόγου{lógos, lógou}, "study of") is a group of systems, traditions, and beliefs in which knowledge of the apparent relative positions of celestial bodies and related details is held to be useful in understanding, interpreting, and organizing information about personality, human affairs, and other terrestrial matters.
    Divination and Fortune-Telling are both fairly different from Astrology; they may also use the position of celestial bodies for their practices, but its definitely not the same
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    jeez jack why do you have to be somebody i like? because if you werent it'd be so much easier for me to post a summary in dispute with the supposition of the statistically significant accuracy of astrology. you take away all the fun
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    on some people, its inaccurate. on others, its accurate even to the slightest detail. the relevant observable data has to be 100% correct, though.

    you have to understand, and realize, how complex any single individual can be. also, some life experiences help further shape a person, in some cases, dramatically.

    Its this realization, how a single and insignificant (in the grand scheme of things, just see the vid i posted earlier in this thread) organism can in itself be so fucking complex yet in some ways remains theoretically definable to some extent, that fascinates me

    I think I'm getting kinda carried away here...



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    1hr in - still here
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    WTF!!!! I'm still here. I slept in the same bed as my wife last night, I decided against putting in some hands because it wouldn't matter and for christ's sake, I didn't do any laundry.
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    I'd just like to point out that they are starting out by testing some equipment and won't actually do proton collisions before a few weeks. So if you were worried it's not over yet.
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    i guess we're not suppose to die until like oct 21st now
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    The claimed dangers of the LHC particle collisions, which are scheduled to begin on 21 October 2008, include doomsday scenarios involving the production of stable micro black holes or the creation of hypothetical particles called strangelets.
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    Oct 21st? Its my sisters birthday on the 22nd. Maybe I'll wait before buying a present.
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    if you plan to go skydiing, do it on december 20, 2012


    december 21, 2012
    about 11AM GMT


    mark that date
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
    if you plan to go skydiing, do it on december 20, 2012


    december 21, 2012
    about 11AM GMT


    mark that date
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
    What I mean with astrology is rather personality analysis: the study of analyzing people based on where and when they were born, and other factors. This will always come up with remarkably on-the-spot personality assertions.
    did you ever consider its because people who pay for this crap have a tendency to hear what they want to hear? before you assume i dont know what im talking about, i grew up around this crap, more specifically jyotish, and trust me, the people who are into this crap are delusional. im sure you mustve seen derren brown, but ill post the link anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by will641
    did you ever consider its because people who pay for this crap have a tendency to hear what they want to hear? before you assume i dont know what im talking about, i grew up around this crap, more specifically jyotish, and trust me, the people who are into this crap are delusional. im sure you mustve seen derren brown, but ill post the link anyways.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btP_vy5cQq4
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    who in crap's name might derren brown be?
    also, it would be odd that you grew up around jyotiṣa unless you have (had) a bunch of Hindus around, its not exactly popular in the western world. i'm not saying you didn't, i'm saying its pretty odd to be exposed to it if you were not from hindi descent
    and another thing, who ever said anything about payment?


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    Quote Originally Posted by wesrman
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
    if you plan to go skydiing, do it on december 20, 2012


    december 21, 2012
    about 11AM GMT


    mark that date
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    This is the date that the Mayan calender ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
    Quote Originally Posted by will641
    did you ever consider its because people who pay for this crap have a tendency to hear what they want to hear? before you assume i dont know what im talking about, i grew up around this crap, more specifically jyotish, and trust me, the people who are into this crap are delusional. im sure you mustve seen derren brown, but ill post the link anyways.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btP_vy5cQq4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDhxc...eature=related
    who in crap's name might derren brown be?
    also, it would be odd that you grew up around jyotiṣa unless you have (had) a bunch of Hindus around, its not exactly popular in the western world. i'm not saying you didn't, i'm saying its pretty odd to be exposed to it if you were not from hindi descent
    and another thing, who ever said anything about payment?

    I have a better link for you
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skepticism
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    that is where i went to school K-12 other than a couple years in public school. feel free to explore it.

    and as far as payment goes, idk what youre talking about. if you do it on yourself then yeah it doesnt cost money, but i assure you, go to a jyotish reader or any other kind and its not free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew
    Quote Originally Posted by wesrman
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
    if you plan to go skydiing, do it on december 20, 2012


    december 21, 2012
    about 11AM GMT


    mark that date
    Mayan callender FTW.
    This is the date that the Mayan calender ends.

    December 31 2008 is when our calender ends.

    reset
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    no big deal
    I choose to believe that time will just stop on that day. :P
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    fwiw i thought the name of this thread said Hardon Collider.
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    Hackers Break Into 'Big Bang Machine' Computer Network

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    something got fucked up during the test. 2 month delay now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew
    My only concern is that of another delay. The first date for flipping the switch, was last year in November. That date was rescheduled for mid-May of this year.
    I think I'll be quoting this for many months to come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew
    My only concern is that of another delay. The first date for flipping the switch, was last year in November. That date was rescheduled for mid-May of this year.
    http://richarddawkins.net/article,3143,n,n
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    The organization has blamed the shutdown on the failure of a single, badly soldered electrical connection....


    http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science...collider_N.htm


    damn electricans....probably weren't union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triumphant cracker
    The organization has blamed the shutdown on the failure of a single, badly soldered electrical connection....


    http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science...collider_N.htm


    damn electricans....probably weren't union.
    lol
    cracker are you a Union Electrician?
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    Quote Originally Posted by triumphant cracker
    The organization has blamed the shutdown on the failure of a single, badly soldered electrical connection....


    http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science...collider_N.htm


    damn electricans....probably weren't union.

    lol
    the europes has broken the end of days.....
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    so much for the END..now we gotsta wait for it....
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    Breaking News!! They found that a small black hole was released when they turned it on originally. It is being blamed for swallowing the stock markets of every nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrhappy333
    Breaking News!! They found that a small black hole was released when they turned it on originally. It is being blamed for swallowing the stock markets of every nation.
    I loled.
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    $29 million repair job. End of the world delayed til June.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/scien...4B42F420081205
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    damn so we're not dead yet?


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    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew
    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew
    My only concern is that of another delay. The first date for flipping the switch, was last year in November. That date was rescheduled for mid-May of this year.
    I think I'll be quoting this for many months to come.
    One more time!
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    Are we all dead yet???
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    I think the Hadron Collider depletes my checking account every month.
    oh wait thats my wife that does that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
    is this heaven?
    I thought so until i saw that you were here. :P
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    Hadron Collider = End of Earth?
    no, not the end, but it will bring these guys..

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    interesting stuff
    about LHC:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNvzb5ww0No
    some theories that might be proven with its help:
    http://www.megavideo.com/?v=6M6NKQE0
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    another good ted vid about the lhc - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6uKZWnJLCM
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    great vids guys tnx
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    what a bunch of dumbasses thinking that the magnets supertrained to handle 7 trillion eV would fail at around 6.5 trillion after a year outside. It's like they've never done this before!

    If the collider was born in the USA, it'd be smashing protons together in a collider lightshow in NYC every night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by will641
    fwiw i thought the name of this thread said Hardon Collider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
    what a bunch of dumbasses thinking that the magnets supertrained to handle 7 trillion eV would fail at around 6.5 trillion after a year outside. It's like they've never done this before!

    If the collider was born in the USA, it'd be smashing protons together in a collider lightshow in NYC every night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrhappy333
    Update:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091121/...g_bang_machine
    They started the machine again.
    Are we all dead yet???
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    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew
    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew
    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew
    My only concern is that of another delay. The first date for flipping the switch, was last year in November. That date was rescheduled for mid-May of this year.
    I think I'll be quoting this for many months to come.
    One more time!
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    I don't know if this was posted here, but an interesting thing is being tossed around by those crazy kids at Harvard in an attempt to explain why the Hadron Collider keeps breaking.

    The first test the Hadron Collider is attempting to replicate is the creating of a Quark without a sister Quark. This particular physical entity is basicly a spark of energy that moves in a predictable manner. They are all over the place, travel through human bodies doing no damage, etc etc. The only thing that is really wierd is that every quark has a sister. They've figgured out how to isolate a quark and its sister, and they've separated these quarks through extreme distance and no matter what they do to the quark, the sister quark experiences the same change. If one is moving in its predictable pattern, so is the other, if the pattern is altered for one, it instantaneously alters for the other with no time difference for the other.

    So creating creating a quark without a sister is a scary prospect right?

    Harvard suggests that it's not possible for a quark to exist without a sister,sooooo they are theorizing currently that the reason the maching breaks every time they try to do this experiment is: (no seriously) They enter a time line in whcih they create the quark without a sister, The sister must exist, so it suddenly materializes into existance in the future and [i[travels in time[/i] back to the exact moment the first quark exists. There are several laws of physics being broken here, but the most important of which involves the creation of energy out of nothing. The time travel part is a bit dicey too.

    Anyway the massive amount of energy and temporal disturbance, and physical impossiblity of the quarks existince causes the quark to have no other option but to sabotage the Hadron collider a split second before the machine wraps up and fires causing the firing of the atom to not occur and closing that timeline causing a grandfather paradox (see also every terminator movie/book ever made) and we skip along merrily never knowing anything about the situation.
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    Interesting theory Ragnar.

    Why might the sister quark appear in the future then travel back in time to the original? Why not just appear with the original?
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    I have no idea, it's harvards theory not mine.

    If I had to postulate I think it's because the sister quark materializes instantaneously at some point during the primary quarks life, and then time travels from that point back

    Or perhaps the sister quark must materialize at EVERY instance in time for the entire life of the primary quark causing the problem too. Which would look "like" time travel but would be simply existing for a moment in every time dimension.
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    So once they get this thing working we will have technology for time travel and/or teleportation? Worth risking the end of the world for imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HalvSame
    So once they get this thing working we will have technology for time travel and/or teleportation? Worth risking the end of the world for imo.
    Only if I am the only one who has this power.
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    I think the particle being talked about is the hypothetical Higgs boson. I don't know much about it, but I believe the hypothesis is along the lines that the Higgs boson is so abhorrent to nature that it destroys itself 'before' it's created, because its creation would annihilate the Universe. This then creates the conundrum that the Higgs boson doesn't exist because whenever it did exist it annihilated the universe in which it existed. The hypothesis is crazy, but not quackery. I personally find it ridiculous because it's based on about as many assumptions as possible

    The thing about theoretical physics is that it is all apeshit insanity. It really is. I mean on a fundamental quantum level, shit like space and time not even existing or infinite states of matter look to be standard. Whack stuff, and it's all probably ultimately unknowable anyways, perhaps in a Schrodinger's cat sort of way


    A much more reasonable look at the LHC is that shit that has gone wrong has gone wrong for simple logistical reasons. Like they had a piece of equipment malfunction because of a bread crumb dropped by a bird. Technology is insanely underfunded, the LHC is several times more complicated that any other machine, and we're not even remotely close to confidently claiming that it should work without undiscovered flaws
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnar4
    I don't know if this was posted here, but an interesting thing is being tossed around by those crazy kids at Harvard in an attempt to explain why the Hadron Collider keeps breaking.

    The first test the Hadron Collider is attempting to replicate is the creating of a Quark without a sister Quark. This particular physical entity is basicly a spark of energy that moves in a predictable manner. They are all over the place, travel through human bodies doing no damage, etc etc. The only thing that is really wierd is that every quark has a sister. They've figgured out how to isolate a quark and its sister, and they've separated these quarks through extreme distance and no matter what they do to the quark, the sister quark experiences the same change. If one is moving in its predictable pattern, so is the other, if the pattern is altered for one, it instantaneously alters for the other with no time difference for the other.
    This property is called quantum entanglement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement

    Somewhat related: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_teleportation

    So creating creating a quark without a sister is a scary prospect right?

    Harvard suggests that it's not possible for a quark to exist without a sister,sooooo they are theorizing currently that the reason the maching breaks every time they try to do this experiment is: (no seriously) They enter a time line in whcih they create the quark without a sister, The sister must exist, so it suddenly materializes into existance in the future and [i[travels in time[/i] back to the exact moment the first quark exists. There are several laws of physics being broken here, but the most important of which involves the creation of energy out of nothing. The time travel part is a bit dicey too.

    Anyway the massive amount of energy and temporal disturbance, and physical impossiblity of the quarks existince causes the quark to have no other option but to sabotage the Hadron collider a split second before the machine wraps up and fires causing the firing of the atom to not occur and closing that timeline causing a grandfather paradox (see also every terminator movie/book ever made) and we skip along merrily never knowing anything about the situation.
    This stuff is mostly over my head but a couple things about this idea seem wrong (and that's within the context of modern-day physics which is insanely weird). It sounds like they are talking about supersymmetry among elemental particles, which is related to (but not entirely dependent on) string theory. Surely the energy can be accounted for somewhere-- the collisions are in the tevatron range. The part about the sister quark traveling back in time is a bit dicey too, although time travel does not violate any physical laws (it just requires among other things a massive amount of energy). Still, in this context, that seems wrong. I'd be more likely to think that the particle would instantly evaporate instead, in something like a trillionth of a trillionth of a second.

    The solution to the grandfather paradox, as I understand it is multiple timelines. The grandfather paradox goes something like this.. if you go back in time and kill your grandfather before he meets your grandmother, how can you possibly exist. Via the multiple timelines solution, it's very simple. The man is no longer your grandfather. He has 1/4 your genome, but you've entered into a different timeline where it no longer matters. If their idea is correct (and somewhere along the line it likely isn't), I don't really see where the problem is or why or how the machine would be sabotaged. More likely is just that it's such a massive machine that's taken over a decade to build and it's an engineering problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HalvSame
    So once they get this thing working we will have technology for time travel and/or teleportation? Worth risking the end of the world for imo.
    http://www.metacafe.com/watch/273649...teleportation/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X02WMNoHSm8

    This guy comes off as a quack sometimes but he most definitely is not.
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    It finally happened...

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    so now we're dead?
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    Quote Originally Posted by triumphant cracker View Post
    so now we're dead?
    no, but there's a proofreader that might've been fired...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warpe View Post
    no, but there's a proofreader that might've been fired...
    lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warpe View Post
    no, but there's a proofreader that might've been fired...

    i was just goin off what wesrman posted warpe...i'm not sure what you are talkin about....
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    Quote Originally Posted by triumphant cracker View Post
    i was just goin off what wesrman posted warpe...i'm not sure what you are talkin about....
    [ ] closely read the Telegraph headline
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    Amazing what man attempts in order to make discoveries. Hopefully it will not be used as another way to destroy our planet, which mankind has had a fascination of for centuries.
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    Researchers Create New Particles of Matter by Colliding Gold Particles at Extremely High Speeds

    USA is back on top. You guys can take your pretty ring accelerators and shove it! We take our long phallic colliders and smash gold together to make our discoveries. That's right, in America we don't settle for hydrogen, we only accelerate the best.
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    it's gonna take a pretty big HardOn for it to destroy the earth...AMIRITE?!
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    when is this gonna be back online?
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    Geneva atom smasher sets collision record - Yahoo! News

    Hadron Collider is online and working.
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