Guns thread

[wufwugy]

guns dont kill people

black people kill people

[WillburForce]

the thread had already been split. This thread is for admiring guns. There is another (many others in fact) for discussing gun rights and whatnot.

Admiring guns. Lets do that.

[Lukie]

I've always found that people with large gun collections seem to be pretty levelheaded.

It's the guy that hates his life and one day decides to buy a small arsenal that worries me a lot more.

[triumphant cracker]

this is my latest purchase. mossberg 835 12g



its blurry...

[HarleyGuy13]

so why does he want all that, may i ask?

He's collected guns most of his life which started with a shot gun his grandfather gave him as a youngman.

Sick collection. Do you have a better picture of it? I mainly want to see the right side of the wall closer.

It kinda looks like he's got an M1 or something with all the shotties.

I'll take some better ones and post em up. This was taken with a phone so the quality is shitty. I'll also get a run down on what all is in the collection.

I think you should consider getting your friend sectioned.

I've always found that people with large gun collections seem to be pretty levelheaded.

This guy is so level headed it's amazing. He's also the best friend I've ever had for so many reasons. I'll tell you a quick story that will give you an idea of what kind of guy he is:

First a little background on "Julio" my buddy. Like I mentioned earlier Julio has a shop in his backyard where he works on Harley's. He has built up his Harley business so much that he has to turn away business almost daily as it's really just his hobby. He has a "regular" job as well as his Harley gig and also a sign business. He works about 18 hours a day on average and I am not exagerating at all. He is always the most positive guy around.

Well he called me one day as he does almost everyday and was really down like I had never heard him before. He complained about almost everything imaginable. Then he tells me "To top it off Ray (a friend who is a nurse who only works with young cancer patients) called and has a young man that would really like to come out and see my shop and all the bikes. He tells me "I don't have time to give a damn tour I am swomped!" I proceed to tell him to take a fucking break and have this kid (who has terminal cancer) out and show him around his shop and just maybe it would put his life back in perspective.

Well long story short Julio called Ray and told her she could bring this kid out for an hour the following Saturday. Well the kid came out and Julio spent all day with the kid and fell in love with him. The kid told Julio that someday he would love to learn to work on Harley's and ride his own one day. Julio organized a fund raiser bought this kid his own bike, which Julio built himself, also purchased his mother a car after learning she couldn't afford to get her pos fixed because she had lost her job do to missing so much time taking her son to kemo. Oh and he also bought this kids younger brother the nicest set of roller blades money could buy.

He also refused to allow the media anywhere near this because he wasn't doing for any other reason than to help this kid out.

I could go on and on about how he has literally adopted all the senior citizens on his street. Given so generously of his time to people in need etc. Not to mention what he has done for me personally!!

So my point in telling this story is for those of you who think "Gun guys are all wacko's" you are wrong!

I really hope you all are able to have a friend like this once in your lives but believe me the chances are really slim!

[WillburForce]

tldr.....

hope he keeps being cool. Otherwise wall of death is coming to a town near you.

[manfredi]

tldr.....

hope he keeps being cool. Otherwise wall of death is coming to a town near you.

el oh el

[wufwugy]

I'd say it's not enthusiasts you need to worry about, but systemic loopholes that provide for the wrong people and wrong incentives

[rpm]

to be clear, the intention of my post wasn't to judge people who posess firearms, or to say that they shouldn't have them. it's just kind of hard for people (like me) who don't live in a pro-gun kind of cultural climate to get their heads around one guy wanting to own in excess of 100 firearms. no hate intended.

[triumphant cracker]

not too long...good read. makes me feel fuzzy inside.....

[wufwugy]

to be clear, the intention of my post wasn't to judge people who posess firearms, or to say that they shouldn't have them. it's just kind of hard for people (like me) who don't live in a pro-gun kind of cultural climate to get their heads around one guy wanting to own in excess of 100 firearms. no hate intended.

It's a mixture of hobby and sporting activity. Item collecting is generally understandable, and guns can be quite fun for target practice and such. It's also an attention grabber. One of these days I wanna knock a tree down with like a chain gun and a thousand rounds or some shit

[manfredi]

to be clear, the intention of my post wasn't to judge people who posess firearms, or to say that they shouldn't have them. it's just kind of hard for people (like me) who don't live in a pro-gun kind of cultural climate to get their heads around one guy wanting to own in excess of 100 firearms. no hate intended.

I bolded an important part of your post. It shows that you are aware that many people shape their personal opinions in whatever way will best help them conform to their external environment, i.e. their friends and local culture. What's more, being in a decidedly 'anti-gun cultural climate', as you put it, you are not likely to have easy access to ideas, concepts, and facts which might contradict the socially acceptable groupthink.

Your reaction of "OMG IN EXCESS OF 100 FIREARMS" quickly disintegrates under scrutiny. At it's essence, a firearm is nothing more than an inanimate tool. A man with a hundred tools is rather unremarkable.

[DropTheBanana]

BUMP

Picked up an American Tactical GSG-522 earlier this week. It's MP5 clone in .22. Fun little plinker and dirt cheap ammo. (Picked up 1600 rounds for $100 at Gander Mtn.)

The firing pin on my .25 needs to be replaced so with that I got back in the market for a handgun with a caliber in between that and my .357. Picking up my pistol purchase permit from the Sheriff today and will hopefully have my mind made up by the end of the month.

[Lukie]

Hi !

[DropTheBanana]

Did we lose interest in firearms?

After shopping, researching, and doing a bit of reading through this thread, I decided to go with a Glock 27 and added a grip extension for comfort. It's their subcompact .40 caliber and a blast to shoot. At the price .40 S&W ammo is right now I have to practice self discipline on range trips or I'll end up spending $200 a week on target rounds.

My favorite thing about this pistol is that it can hold not only a .40 caliber but the barrel can be swapped out and chamber 9mm and .357.

Picture with a .40 round next to one of the rounds from my .25 Beretta.



Because of the size of the gun and recoil spring, this pistol is a little hand cannon and incredibly snappy. Ran a magazine of high grain Speer Hollow Points through it as well to make sure they feed properly and those make it shoot like a .45.

After first trip to the range at 25 ft. I definitely need to work on my trigger pull and grouping.



Bonus video of my brother putting a magazine through the GSG and trash talking some flower pots.

I love that little plinker, you can shoot it all day since .22LR ammo is going for $0.06 a round right now.

[Galapogos]

Now there's no way the king of England is gonna be able to just walk in and start pushing your family around.

[Lukie]

Nice pics... I am still not sure if I should be flattered or worried that my screenname keeps popping up in gun pictures. Oh well

If you are going to use the grip extension why didn't you get a G23? Just curious.

[Lukie]

Now there's no way the king of England is gonna be able to just walk in and start pushing your family around.

I get that it's an American thing and honestly don't have much desire to talk about the politics of the situation. In rural/conservative areas owning a gun or guns is absolutely the norm. In many urban and especially liberal areas (think New York City, California) the laws and culture are much different.

Where I live it seems to be somewhat split. Lots of friends/family are gun owners and lots are against it.

[Lukie]

Actually now that I think about it, just about everybody I know is ok with people owning a gun. It's the specifics about castle doctrine, carrying, and other issues that are up for debate. Basically the spectrum has moved pretty far right and a lot of 'anti' gun people in the U.S. might very well be considered pro gun in other countries.

[SmackinYaUp]

I think my 22 conversion kit for the AR is shipping soon

[Pascal]

what's it like to shoot a gun?

stupid question sorry but in the movies it looks easy as hell. I take it there's a lot more kickback etc?

[a500lbgorilla]

what's it like to shoot a gun?

stupid question sorry but in the movies it looks easy as hell. I take it there's a lot more kickback etc?

It's a bit like meditating, but with enormous booms that get your adrenaline up.

You need to control your breathing, settle your eye and arms, calm, focus, squeeze smoothly, and with intent.

Some guns are truly a wonder to shoot, like the Sig Sauer 1911 or a AR-15 (they tend to be mix-and-match from gun shows and not branded from a manufacturer). Some guns kinda blow, like AKs which feel like they were bent out of cheap metal or some guns with awkwardly long trigger pulls.

If you stand between two people firing high caliber, big boom guns, you feel it throughout yourself and there's really only one way your body knows how to react. And it's a very nervous tingle.

[a500lbgorilla]

And I am a big fan of .22 target shooters. They take less psyching up to shoot and are more about lining up all your parts to hit dead center.

[DropTheBanana]

If you are going to use the grip extension why didn't you get a G23? Just curious.

It really boiled down to the price on got on the 27. That and the fact I know about half a dozen people with G23s/G22s and wanted something a little different.

Some guns are truly a wonder to shoot, like the Sig Sauer 1911

True story.

Although I haven't met a 1911 that isn't incredible to shoot.

[Galapogos]

I get that it's an American thing and honestly don't have much desire to talk about the politics of the situation. In rural/conservative areas owning a gun or guns is absolutely the norm. In many urban and especially liberal areas (think New York City, California) the laws and culture are much different.

Where I live it seems to be somewhat split. Lots of friends/family are gun owners and lots are against it.

While I do have a non-American mentality on gun rights/laws, I didn't want to make a personal view statement in a thread meant for people that enjoy guns to enjoy their guns. I was merely making a reference to what I thought was a hilarious line from the Simpsons.

[Galapogos]

what's it like to shoot a gun?

stupid question sorry but in the movies it looks easy as hell. I take it there's a lot more kickback etc?

What caught me the most off-guard about shooting a handgun is when it ran out of ammo I just stood there still shooting until my buddy would say something. I didn't even notice that the loud bang and kickbacks had stopped. Pretty weird but he said that's actually not that uncommon.

[Lukie]

While I do have a non-American mentality on gun rights/laws, I didn't want to make a personal view statement in a thread meant for people that enjoy guns to enjoy their guns. I was merely making a reference to what I thought was a hilarious line from the Simpsons.

ahh, I remember that line now. I guess my point was that I can understand/appreciate the point of view of people who think having guns is weird and unnecessary. not saying I agree or don't agree, just that there is a certain proximity bias there.

[Lukie]

what's it like to shoot a gun?

stupid question sorry but in the movies it looks easy as hell. I take it there's a lot more kickback etc?

As far as perceived recoil it really depends on the round and the gun. The more powerful the round and the smaller the gun, the more 'kickback'. Revolvers, all else being equal, will also kick harder than autos because part of the energy is used to cycle the action in the latter.

Accuracy wise it is much harder to shoot a handgun accurately than what you see in movies and video games. And that's at a range under basically ideal situations. I don't have the stats on hand but if you look at % hit in police shooting situations the numbers are scary (i.e. high miss %) even at close range with ostensibly well trained shooters.

[DropTheBanana]

Second trip to the range. Now that I understand how the pistol reacts I've been able to start to bring my groupings in. Obviously still have a problem with steady trigger pulls but I'm sure will come down as I get more familiar with the firearm.

From 10 yards (9.14 meters)

Some of the lower ones are actually high shots when I was going back and forth between two center mass shots and one head shot.

[DropTheBanana]

Accuracy wise it is much harder to shoot a handgun accurately than what you see in movies and video games. And that's at a range under basically ideal situations.

Definitely this.

Even in the calmest range conditions you're hands and body will naturally flinch, twitch, twist, etc. right before the shot since you know there is about to be a loud explosion going on between your hands and less than arms length away from your body/face. It's hard to control and even people who have shot their entire lives still struggle keeping the sights on target during the trigger break.

Factor in adrenaline, nerves, and other stimuli in a lethal force situation and you're going to be popping rounds all over the goddamn place.

[DropTheBanana]

I guess my point was that I can understand/appreciate the point of view of people who think having guns is weird and unnecessary. not saying I agree or don't agree, just that there is a certain proximity bias there.

I can say the main reason I own guns is for recreation. The same reason I own golf clubs, fishing gear, and have a basketball hoop in my backyard. It's a fun way to relax and/or relieve stress. Same way with people who lift regularly. They have the training and ability to beat seven shades of shit out of a lot of people they come across, but most are mentally stable enough to keep it at a level of hobby, stress relief, and physical fitness and not run around using it as a threat.

I think in most cases people who own guns for the sole intent of self defense are overly paranoid and the ones who use the excuse "Cause I can, 'Murica Goddammit" are fucking moronic.

[HarleyGuy13]

I haven't read through this thread as I've been away for a long time. I saw the title and wanted to chime in and let you all know Mrs. Harley is getting her CCW classes out of the way tonight for Oregon(home state), Utah and Arizona which will cover her for most of the US except those liberal assholes like California, New York, Illinois and a few others. I'm going to take her and her girlfriend to the range where I recently became a range master and get them up to par on firearms safety etc.

[HarleyGuy13]

LOL.... I didn't realize this was an old thread brought back to life. I started reading through it and realized it was.

DTB you're choice of the G-27 is a good one in deed. I'm a huge Glock fan and I enjoy the 40 cal. My only thought is it is such a snappy round that I find it a little harder to handle in the compact form and that is why I carry a G-26 (9mm compact). I noticed in the pictures you posted of your second trip to the range which look pretty good you seem to focus on head shots. One caveat if I can is be careful when focusing on head shots. I know you've stated you manly shoot for recreation but at the same time you are training yourself. It's important to train for center of mass. That being the largest center of mass available to you. So if you have a complete silhouette target then the center of mass would be well right in the center. You do want to put some time in with head and hip shots in case you were to ever encounter a thread which for what ever reason center of mass shots don't work, such as drug craved etc. In this case you would want to punch out the hips and take a head shot. Secondly are you initializing the the trigger reset of your Glock? Glock has a great trigger as long as you utilize the reset feature. Once you take a shot hold the trigger completely to the rear until you've reacquired your front site. Then slowly let the trigger out until and only until you feel the trigger click which will be about 1/3 back. There is no reason to let the trigger travel any further as everything within your weapon has completed it's function and all is ready to go again.

[DropTheBanana]

DTB you're choice of the G-27 is a good one in deed. I'm a huge Glock fan and I enjoy the 40 cal. My only thought is it is such a snappy round that I find it a little harder to handle in the compact form and that is why I carry a G-26 (9mm compact). I noticed in the pictures you posted of your second trip to the range which look pretty good you seem to focus on head shots. One caveat if I can is be careful when focusing on head shots. I know you've stated you manly shoot for recreation but at the same time you are training yourself. It's important to train for center of mass. That being the largest center of mass available to you. So if you have a complete silhouette target then the center of mass would be well right in the center. You do want to put some time in with head and hip shots in case you were to ever encounter a thread which for what ever reason center of mass shots don't work, such as drug craved etc. In this case you would want to punch out the hips and take a head shot. Secondly are you initializing the the trigger reset of your Glock? Glock has a great trigger as long as you utilize the reset feature. Once you take a shot hold the trigger completely to the rear until you've reacquired your front site. Then slowly let the trigger out until and only until you feel the trigger click which will be about 1/3 back. There is no reason to let the trigger travel any further as everything within your weapon has completed it's function and all is ready to go again.

I had it down to four hanguns before I made my purchase. A G26, G27, S&W SD9VE, and an SD40VE.

I wanted to consider ammo prices in my purchase and would have probably gone with a 9mm but that round is almost impossible to find online or in stores around my area. (NC) Then I read better reviews of the Glock than the S&W semi automatics so I went with Glock.

My main focus at the range right now is figuring out where the shots are placing and grouping them. I've tried law enforcement techniques (12 o'clock presentation, slight hunch, feet square to shoulders, etc.) but I find that very uncomfortable. After a 100 round warm up I was going for two CoM shots then lift for a head shot, rinse and repeat. I just didn't snap a picture of the whole target.

I went to a new range yesterday, and didn't really like it. The way that range was set up (cardboard already on the line and a limit of how high you could place your target on that cardboard) it was hard to aim for the pelvic region of most targets they had on hand.

I heard learning muscle memory to target the hips/pelvis first is the best way to go. That way if a self defense situation ever presented itself you can immobilize the threat before they cover more ground then procede as necessary.

I've always let the trigger reset and basically start from scratch each shot before re-aligning the sights, but will definitely try that out next time I go. Will do a follow up TR, hopefully with better pics.

[Pascal]

really interesting information, thanks guys. I take it that means pretty much all the sick shots from people who have never held a gun before on TV are bullshit?

[Lukie]

I would say most new shooters struggle to hit a body sized target with a handgun at 7 yards.

[Lukie]

By struggle I mean that most won't be able to consistently do it. I'm not really the best to ask about that as my experience with witnessing/teaching beginner shooters is pretty small. Based on what little experience I do though, if I'm off it's not by much.

For all of you euros out there, 1 yard ~= .91 meters

[HarleyGuy13]

Lukie you're pretty much spot on. Often times though when working with adults if they have had no experience at all they'll struggle to get on paper but can be taught fairly easily. Now those with limited experience can be more problematic as they think they know what they are talking about. Old habits are tough to work out of adults.
Now kids are an entirely different story for sure. I do a lot more work with kids now as a 4-H leader in the shooting sports program. Kids are great as they really want to learn and are easily impressed.

[triumphant cracker]

Where the pix fellerz?

[Pascal]

I would say most new shooters struggle to hit a body sized target with a handgun at 6.4008 metres.

fyp

when I come to America can one of you lads help me shoot something?

[a500lbgorilla]

fyp

when I come to America can one of you lads help me shoot something?

No. It's an American Freedom. Which means Free Americans only. Go back to socialism, commie.