Yeah I probably wasn't clear.

I was having a problem with the dude from Thunder's video. He seems to think that if you believe in evolution you can't believe in a higher power/god. I don't think they're mutually exclusive.

I agree with him that it's closeminded to think that we haven't evolved. But I think that he has made the mistake of equating evolution with creation. And it's this mistake that has caused the whole clusterfuck of evolution vs ID. People get pissy when you tell them that their FAITH, their CORE beliefs are wrong. So if you state the view that if you believe in evolution then you can't believe in god it's going to make all those people who do believe in god pretty pissy.

Religion comes into the creation debate. Religion should not come into the evolution debate. It is theoretically possible for everyone (higher power believers, atheists, and agnostics) to believe that everything has evolved from one beginning cell/organism/species/fill in the blank - that's evolution. Where faith and religion and science come into the debate is figuring out where did that very first cell/organism/species/fill in the blank come from - that's creation.