Game of Thrones TV Thread **HBO-Purists ONLY**

[jackvance]

I want nittery!

There was no steam for the wildfire on the lake. NO STEAM. Water + Fire = Steam! Should have been steam. This show sucks

There has also no cold vapor been coming out of the mouths of Jon Stark, the night watch or any of the wildlings who are all running around in the supposedly ice cold. I mean seriously, how hard is it to go film this in iceland and make it realistic? Or atleast CGI photoshop this into every frame?

BTW, if you're into movie battle scenes, and I obviously am, I really think nothing compares to the epic grandeur of the LOTR battles. They're also probably the most unrealistic outside of a Mel Gibson movie.

This was the first thing that came to mind for me when I was thinking of something to compare it to, as LOTR are still one my favorite movies. But there is a lot more suspension of disbelief there because it is a pure fantasy setting (it's humans fighting orcs with a big eye watching them) whereas the fantasy elements in GoT are kept to a bare minimum and this war might aswell have been played out in a pure medieval setting. In terms of grandeur LOTR wins out but in terms of "this grabbed me by the throat" (for lack of a better way to explain it) this episode did better imo.

[baudib]

[gimli] These aren't just regular orcs, they're Uruk-hai.[/gimli]

[jackvance]

[gimli] These aren't just regular orcs, they're Uruk-hai.[/gimli]

I hear.. drums in my head when I read that line. I think I watched those movies one time too many.

[wufwugy]

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[a500lbgorilla]

I want nittery!

There was no steam for the wildfire on the lake. NO STEAM. Water + Fire = Steam! Should have been steam. This show sucks

Counter nittery!

The water would not steam. The heat which is sent into a considerable reserve of air (about half if you consider the surface area of the burning liquid exposed to air versus water) which carries it away. As the air heats, its pressure increases, this quickly drives the hot air away from itself, air at a higher temperature will move above air of a lower temperature and the heat is harmlessly carried away. The heat which is sent into the water won't fly away so easily but in order to produce steam, some volume of the water (nearest the fire) would need to absorb enough heat to raise its temp to 212 F. Since heating the water will create a water current and the water has access to an infinite reservoir of water to exchange, it is unlikely any volume of water would reach this threshold.

Remember the movie Volcano where they talked about the awesome heat required to warm a big pond by couple of degrees? Whateveritscalledfire ain't no volcano.

roffle you doofus everybody knows wildfire burns so hot it melts the steam

roffle roffle

[dranger7070]

First major battle scene in Braveheart always got my jollies off. Mel Gibson ftw!

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baudib, nice mention of Enemy at the Gates. Definitely one of the most overlooked WWII movies imo. My favorite part was when the sniper would clip a communications line from some crazy distance, then the soviets would send out a guy with a reel of wire on his back to sprint the distance to re-link the outposts and the sniper, expecting this, would pick this guy off too. The sniper standoffs really illustrated how sniper's are pretty much the highest level thinkers of ground troops-- constantly leveling and releveling each other.

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Tyrion whistles The Rains of Castamere (Game of Thrones) - YouTube

wow, this show is just sick. It's level of detail is at least on par with The Wire and Breaking Bad, and that is quite impressive.

[dranger7070]

'That would make me the quarter-man, doesn't have the same ring to it.'

[JKDS]

Counter nittery!

The water would not steam. The heat which is sent into a considerable reserve of air (about half if you consider the surface area of the burning liquid exposed to air versus water) which carries it away. As the air heats, its pressure increases, this quickly drives the hot air away from itself, air at a higher temperature will move above air of a lower temperature and the heat is harmlessly carried away. The heat which is sent into the water won't fly away so easily but in order to produce steam, some volume of the water (nearest the fire) would need to absorb enough heat to raise its temp to 212 F. Since heating the water will create a water current and the water has access to an infinite reservoir of water to exchange, it is unlikely any volume of water would reach this threshold.

Ser Ilyn! Bring me his head!

[wufwugy]

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Just rewatched. Noticed that Tyrions armor had a sort of necklace of golden hands decorating it. That is some crazy detail. Also, the credits music for this episode was fucking awesome.

[wufwugy]

I had a thought that Dany and Melisandre could be extended family. Like really extended

The Lord of Light probably isn't an unknown god, even though I would prefer if he was, he's probably a god from the south, from Old Valyria, which is probably where the Targaryens hailed from, yet their time in King's Landing made them lose that relation. The connection between the Lord of Light and Dany would be the fire. LoL is clearly all about burning shit, dragons are all about burning shit, and Dany is all about not being able to get her shit burned

[a500lbgorilla]

So here's a list for the finale

- Robb can't die because of the love story for Talisa.
- Bran and Rickon can't die because duh
- Osha and Hodor can't die because they're largely messengers for the Bran/Rickon story
- Snow and Dany obv can't die
- Jorah actually could die.
- Stannis and Melisandre can't die because they're the vehicle for the dark magic
- Davos can't die because he's an important counter to that dark magic and Stannis.
- Varys can't die because he knows too much and is a medium for tying things together for both the characters and the audience
- Littlefinger can't die because of his sigil, but other than that maybe he could since the Tyrell relationship has been brokered.
- Cat can't die because she needs to stick around to make terrible decisions.
- Sansa can die because her Dire Wolf is dead, but that's a dumb way of looking at it.
- Teh Joff can't die because his death has to be fucking awesome, and so far nobody is in a position to make that happen.
- Arya obviously cannot die because Syrio taught her one of the most important lessons there is
- Jaqen can't die until he puts that final name under ground.
- Ygritte could die, but only if the writers are idiots
- Jaime and Cersei are probably the most expendable characters.
- Tywin also could die.
- I don't care about Shae. She sucks
- Bronn could die
- Hound can die
- Theon can only die as soon as a Stark puts his head on a stake

So I was thinking about this - how the story drives the deaths and victories and that you can have a good sense of what is about to happen with enough focus.

As I understand classical music (admittedly not well) there's like a home key that the song starts in the music runs away from, you're supposed to expect from a sense of balance and design that the music will return home and the longer it meanders, the more tension it builds. So you start in A, go away, and eventually come back to A or some such.

That's kind of the same idea driving these thoughts that, for instance, Littlefinger can't die because he picked a sigil. I agree, that's laying the groundwork for something and I expect it to pay off. Or Dany/Jon Snow can't die because they're in the far north and Qarth and the only ways to justify paying attention to these places is because they eventually drive some of the main plot. Why the hell are we in Qarth if it's not eventually going to come back home?

But since this story is 7 seasons long and we're just on season 2, there's plenty of time to stay away from home. There's plenty of time to lay additional ground work, false avenues for your hope that that's how it's taking us back, and smash them. Plenty of time to create a new, second home for us to establish and move away from creating a second tension that needs resolved.

So I'd like to believe that GRRM could have had Stannis win that battle and allow the consequences to ripple forth, since I want to believe that his story telling is awesome and there's plenty of time to achieve whatever conclusion he has in store. I say believe because I recognize first that this sense is valuable as a viewer. The show is more entertaining when I believe GRRM can do anything to anyone at any time.

[wufwugy]

The show is more entertaining when I believe GRRM can do anything to anyone at any time.

From a writing perspective, that is an extremely interesting concept. I always view things from the perspective if I were writing it because in another life I would have been a writer (I may some day attempt to do so in this life). But I'm not sure if I've even seen work where you could truly say "anyone at anytime"

One example people might use for this sort of thing is Scorsese films, but that doesn't entirely qualify because there is still a structure to how he kills people. I think maybe the movies that use that concept are the horror suspense type stuff like Scream or Deep Blue Sea, but those are not that high of quality stuff

A point against mine, however, is a lot of the "oh he couldn't die because duh" is retrospective. For example, you could say that Sansa is gonna die any time because her dog is dead, but it also could be that The Hound is now her new dog, and we just don't know it. Part of me thinks that Jaqen might even be Nymeria (Arya's lost direwolf). The writers can shift stories on a dime, so in that way, you can't predict stuff

I think I do agree with you though, it would be cooler to think "anybody anytime". That was one reason I started disliking some of the magic stuff, because it made Bran and Dany much more special to the story. I mean, if I was writing this thing, I probably would have made it where Dany gets kidnapped or even killed by Zorro Derpsucks and Blue Lips and they have an enormous army full of dark magic and dragons and the first thing they do is invade new lands to the east of Qarth, on a conquest of world domination. But I just don't think that if that was the direction the story was going, we would have the impression of Dany that we currently have.

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dont post book stuff in the hbo purists thread you fish

[Penneywize]

did I inadvertently post something from the books? I haven't even read them trying to think about what it was I said that could be interpreted as a spoiler

edit: Oh. well I kind of figured it out, I really had no idea whether what I said was true or reflected in the books. my bad, anyway.

[wufwugy]

wait did penney make a guess about something or repeat something he heard?

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he said something GRRM said about le books. and there is no book talk itt

[wufwugy]

Here's a way of looking at the "anyone anytime" thing: what would we think if Theon got pneumonia then succumbed on his deathbed in the season finale? I think we'd think that was really goddamn idiotic, and so if we're assuming the show is a great show with great writing, we can assume "anyone anytime" doesn't apply to "any way", which implies that it really can't be "anyone anytime" because they have to die certain ways based in certain character and plot developments

Remember this scene in Adaptation? It's a pretty good argument for characters and stories in fiction being fundamentally special, thus the writers cannot treat them as if they're completely real i.e. anytime anywhere anyone anyhow...



An idea I had for a screenplay was a hopefully well done romance with the kick being that after the boy finally gets the girl, he's out driving to the store or some shit, the happy ending is coming, the audience feels it coming, everything is normal, then WHAM everything goes black and the movie is over. What happened was he got suddenly t-boned by another car and died instantly. Obviously, it would have to be made in such a way that the audience knows that's what happened. So an apropos view of the coming car and sound effects over the ending black screen. But it would be sudden and final. No resolution for the audience whatsoever, because that's what the character himself experienced. Movies love to give audiences resolutions beyond their protagonist's death, but IRL that doesn't happen

That would piss the fuck out of people, and the film would bomb. The screenplay probably wouldn't even get picked up by a studio, despite the fact that it's a pretty brilliant ending. The problem is it's 100% real, and we just can't handle that. Nobody wants to walk away from a movie feeling like shit, no matter how good or real or expressive of the human condition it was.

When you kill off characters, you can't piss off the audience too much. And audiences get mad really easily over that issue. Not just the dumb ones. I mean, I was upset at every major character death in GoT so far, but I got over it. Some people didn't, and if they killed somebody in a way that doesn't fit well for the story at all (like if Tyrion is dead), I'd be really pissed and probably wouldn't forgive them for that transgression

[wufwugy]

LOL what does it say about me that one of my favorite ideas for a screenplay is to engage an audience in a host of positive emotions then just rip it away from them?

[Penneywize]

LOL what does it say about me that one of my favorite ideas for a screenplay is to engage an audience in a host of positive emotions then just rip it away from them?

it says you have watched the entirety of The Sopranos

[a500lbgorilla]

Well, it's anyone at any time with the caveat that GRRM is choosing between quality choices. I suppose then you could say that the quality choices available to him are so limited as to only be about 1.

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Here's a way of looking at the "anyone anytime" thing: what would we think if Theon got pneumonia then succumbed on his deathbed in the season finale? I think we'd think that was really goddamn idiotic, and so if we're assuming the show is a great show with great writing, we can assume "anyone anytime" doesn't apply to "any way", which implies that it really can't be "anyone anytime" because they have to die certain ways based in certain character and plot developments

Remember this scene in Adaptation? It's a pretty good argument for characters and stories in fiction being fundamentally special, thus the writers cannot treat them as if they're completely real i.e. anytime anywhere anyone anyhow...



An idea I had for a screenplay was a hopefully well done romance with the kick being that after the boy finally gets the girl, he's out driving to the store or some shit, the happy ending is coming, the audience feels it coming, everything is normal, then WHAM everything goes black and the movie is over. What happened was he got suddenly t-boned by another car and died instantly. Obviously, it would have to be made in such a way that the audience knows that's what happened. So an apropos view of the coming car and sound effects over the ending black screen. But it would be sudden and final. No resolution for the audience whatsoever, because that's what the character himself experienced. Movies love to give audiences resolutions beyond their protagonist's death, but IRL that doesn't happen

That would piss the fuck out of people, and the film would bomb. The screenplay probably wouldn't even get picked up by a studio, despite the fact that it's a pretty brilliant ending. The problem is it's 100% real, and we just can't handle that. Nobody wants to walk away from a movie feeling like shit, no matter how good or real or expressive of the human condition it was.

When you kill off characters, you can't piss off the audience too much. And audiences get mad really easily over that issue. Not just the dumb ones. I mean, I was upset at every major character death in GoT so far, but I got over it. Some people didn't, and if they killed somebody in a way that doesn't fit well for the story at all (like if Tyrion is dead), I'd be really pissed and probably wouldn't forgive them for that transgression

No Country for Old Men.

[wufwugy]

No Country for Old Men.

I must say, I thought the death you're talking about was utterly awful, and ruined the movie for me

Perhaps not the death itself, but I hated how that scenario was directed

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I must say, I thought the death you're talking about was utterly awful, and ruined the movie for me

Perhaps not the death itself, but I hated how that scenario was directed

I thought it was great, and I think you're being a little bitch.

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I must say, I thought the death you're talking about was utterly awful, and ruined the movie for me

Perhaps not the death itself, but I hated how that scenario was directed

[wufwugy]

It's been so long since I saw that movie that I'd have to rewatch it in order to give an adequate opinion.

[Renton]

Let me save you some trouble and tell you its the best movie of the third millennium so far.

[wufwugy]

When did we start talking about Inglourious Basterds?

[Renton]

The opening scene and the bar scene in IB is some of the best cinema of all time, but the whole of IB is inferior to the whole of NCfOM.

[Renton]

This is true of most of QT's work IMO. Fargo and No Country I would rank higher than even Pulp Fiction simply because they are perfect films with cohesive plots as opposed to series of perfect vignettes.

[jackvance]

[wufwugy]

This is true of most of QT's work IMO. Fargo and No Country I would rank higher than even Pulp Fiction simply because they are perfect films with cohesive plots as opposed to series of perfect vignettes.

I might agree with that, but I'm much more partial to Miller's Crossing and O Brother than any other Coen films.

The way I describe why I think IB is GOAT is "could anything have made it any better?" My answer is no. If you're trying to tell that story in that style, it was done pretty much perfectly. I guess it's tied in my mind with Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan, but due to its uniqueness, I give it the edge

I think I need to rewatch Old Country now. So far I'm about 50:50 on rewatches of Coen films. Didn't like Fargo anymore the second time, but did like Miller's a lot more the second time...

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6 hours boys and girls

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I'm throwing down some speculation in the 2p2 thread about Varys being a seer like Bran. The more I (and others) explore the idea, the more I think it's a lock.

[wufwugy]

boost, I had only read some of the ideas for that, and didn't really like them, but what you said is actually great

I'm thinking that it may be a fairly common thing for young boys (girls too?) to have these sort of visions, but as they grow up they grow out of it. Similar to how kids have imaginary friends and often have trouble distinguishing reality from fantasy. So they didn't cut him to stop him from procreating, but to keep him from ever hitting puberty as a way to preserve his powers.

So while kids with these powers may be fairly common, few ever realize that the kids have the powers, and very few would know that you need to put a hot knife to their balls to keep them from losing the powers. So Varys could be an extremely rare person who was able to completely harness his powers and now can tap into the visions of unknowing kids, or his "little birds."

I think that would be a fantastic piece of lore for the show.

[wufwugy]

You know I'm thinking how different everything can be just based on one decision

Like what if Ned had taken the throne? They said it was his for the taking, but he didn't want it. However, if he had taken it, he would have been a great and unifying king, he wouldn't have been betrayed because he would have been loved and protected by his guard

[JKDS]

1.5 hours!

[jackvance]

Hah nice to see how everyone is so excited for the season finale. I need to wait longer than most of you though, until it is up on piratebay.

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ned would have been a fucking horrible king. worse than robert or aerys

[wufwugy]

Ned's biggest policy problem was not being able to retain political power. If he's king, he wouldn't have that problem

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no ned's problem was his inability to play the game

[Penneywize]

Ned for pres imo

fuck the game

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OH SHI SON

[JKDS]

Shut

[baudib]

Don't read the books, greater than 51% chance the TV show will tell the story better.

[wufwugy]

Reading the books is just trading one set of unknowns for another, and I guarantee the show will be better

Was prepared to say this episode sucked, because it actually kinda did, but the dragon fire and walkers kinda cured it

And to be king of Westeros, you need nothing other than not to royally piss off everybody. We know of three kings so far, one who went Hitler on everybody, one who died by accident, and one who's a coward who does virtually nothing yet still can't die. I think Ned would have done just fine

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WHAT CAN I SAY ABOUT KING SITTING BULL WITH ICE SPEAR THAT HASN:T ALREADY BEEN SAID ABOUT AFGANISTAN?!?!?!

[wufwugy]

I notice all those on 2p2 who were so adamant about how obviously Jorah is in love with Dany are saying they've read the books

I swear only a handful of posters in that thread express opinions based in the show

[JKDS]

the fuck up

[wufwugy]

Well anyways

Woooooo death poll was right i.e. nobody died

Jaqen legit demi-god

Figured the ending would involve three horns blowing

Ygritte is the sassiest chick there ever was

Qarth was indeed a throwaway region

Really hated the House of the Undying part because it was pretty silly up until it's climax of fire that brought it to an end. At first I was thinking they were going in the direction I thought they didn't have the balls for i.e. Dany becomes a prisoner, but really it was just the other direction of this Qarth story being throwaway

lol Theon you so silly

Brienne is the fucking man. Again

Margaery is too old for Teh Joff, and I hate that little worm, so despite it making for a great story, I just don't like it

Melisandre is more impotent than I expected, but I'm sure much more will come of that

Sansa should have gone with Hound. Now I don't care about her

Zero idea what's gonna happen with Tyrion. Wouldn't be surprised if some shit with him just fades, like if Bronn kinda just no longer gets air time.

It has to be dragons vs walkers eventually

I'll be sad if the Dothraki do not make a return. Part of why the show was so damn awesome at first was because of that dynamic

[wufwugy]

I dont care if you guys do or dont. I just wanted to put a warning out for anyone that might think to do so.

@Episode: I thought it super sucked. But Afghanistan made it better

Yeah the ep was very low on the human intrigue and high on the OMG MAGIC OMG

The problem I thought it would become. It could become mitigated though, as in this may have been pronounced in magic due to finale structure

[wufwugy]

Oh and Jaqen being a shapeshifter is motherfucking retarded. That is the worst special power their ever was. You just cannot create characters around it. You need a face in order to engage an audience. The only way this works is if they keep the same actor, and only show the shapeshifting for very small and specific stuff

When are Wolverine and Magneto gonna show up, that's what I wanna know....

[wufwugy]

I think the only scene I truly liked in this ep was Brienne and Jaime. Theon was cool too

[jackvance]

The ep was mostly disappointing when compared to last week's, I thought it was ok apart from the stupid House of the Undying scenes. They mostly just rounded out all the plot points. My favorite part was the Greyjoy boy giving a speech which makes you think "come on noone is buying this crap right?" and then they knock him unconsciousness.

And I don't know about others but the end scene here really failed to captivate me, as opposed to the ending of season 1 or the ending of the last episode. The zombies really aren't that interesting (yet) compared to everything else that is going on.

[JKDS]

Theon deserves an award i think. I really enjoyed his scenes throughout the show, and i love to hate that little shit. His speech was fucking awesome at the end, and his dynamic with Maester Luwin was good.

[wufwugy]

The ep was mostly disappointing when compared to last week's, I thought it was ok apart from the stupid House of the Undying scenes. They mostly just rounded out all the plot points. My favorite part was the Greyjoy boy giving a speech which makes you think "come on noone is buying this crap right?" and then they knock him unconsciousness.

And I don't know about others but the end scene here really failed to captivate me, as opposed to the ending of season 1 or the ending of the last episode. The zombies really aren't that interesting (yet) compared to everything else that is going on.

IMO the problem is that super mysterious ninja White Walkers is awesome, but drudging zombies is not. Leave that for post-apoc where soccer moms have to bash their undead childrens' faces in, not a medieval fantasy

[jackvance]

Theon deserves an award i think. I really enjoyed his scenes throughout the show, and i love to hate that little shit. His speech was fucking awesome at the end, and his dynamic with Maester Luwin was good.

He has had some lesser moments but he's grown on me. And yeah the speech WAS awesome, that is why it was such a mindfuck to hear it, because it totally did not fit the circumstances, nor should he have the authority to pull that off, so they handled that really well.

[Penneywize]

Well, call me a douchebag fanboy all you want, but I have no idea where all the hate for this finale is coming from. It was excellent; even -- perhaps especially -- the house of the undying scenes had me rather intrigued. Yes, this is a medieval/fantasy genre setting. Magic is just going to have to be a part of it. I don't believe there was much of a tradeoff between the human element v. mystic powers and such in this episode, as has been suggested by some here. Anyway, if you guys are disappointed, there was bound to be some letdown after last episode's awesomeness (and, of course, its purely human vs human dynamic).

One thing that's been bugging me, and forgive my 6th-grade-level plot comprehension: how is it that Winterfell was razed when it seemed pretty clear that the Greyjoy band were giving up Theon in return for their own freedom? It seems kind of strange that they could go ahead and burn the place / kill everyone and be all like "hey, Robb said we could leave right? no biggie then. We good bras?". This led me to believe that perhaps it wasn't the detachment from Robb's army that showed up at Winterfell's gates but actually reinforcements from the main Greyjoy army. Then I remembered that Theon said he had seen the army himself from the ramparts. I are confused.

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Yeah I didn't think this ep was particularly better or worse than the rest of this season, with the exception of the king's landing battle with all its badassery and lack of dragon bitch.

@wuf: My first thought was that Jaqen was just pulling some illusion shit ala bluelips, not shapeshifter. Could go either way I suppose. I also thought that Arya scored massively. Throw some dudes in a cage an axe and get this demigod killer to do your bidding for a while? Talk about rungood. I wish she'd go with him to train in the art of demigoddery ofc, but w/e I suppose.

I also didn't understand how winterfell was burning. wtf up with that?

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also: holy fuck baby dragons are badass, and FFFUUUUU for hating on the magic wuf. What good is medieval fantasy without magic, and we've barely seen any magic yet. But it seems the dragons are bringing it back, and I for one, welcome the new magician overlords.

[jackvance]

I love magic and I love the dragons, but this. First a walk in a strange tower that reminded me of playing zelda on the gameboy when I was 10 and then a crappy Hollywood cliché of seeing a loved one again for a short time, that was just bad. Other than that the episode was perfectly fine, only thing is that it is the finale yet the episode before it was 10x more exciting, this makes the episode seem less good than it is.

Also I totally love Jaqen even more now. Seemed like a weirdo at first but quite a diamond in the rough.

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You guys are trippin. I thought the episode was amazing. Just as good as e09, but in a completely different way. It was a perfect balance of wrapping up loose ends, and building excitement for next season. No retarded cliffhangers, yet the episode still has me willing to give up one of my lesser toes (not the pinky and not the big toe) to get to watch s03 now.

Jaqen was beyond cool once again, but I am sad that Arya, like Sansa, turned down the offer (wtf Arya? Wtf Sansa?) and that we likely won't see him for a long time-- and when we do see him again it will almost surely not be the actor who has brought us metric shit tons of awesome.

[wufwugy]

I think ending on cliffhangers is the way to go. Some TV takes it too far and does that for every episode, but what you really want is to build the season up to an epic cliff, then end with that

Season 3 Breaking Bad is GOAT finale, and they messed up by not making s04e11 the real season finale, which would have then been the GOAT

[wufwugy]

My panties always get wadded up whenever a great mystery in the storyline is made more obviously fantastical. So I dislike by default things like a broad shot of a zombie army because I think the White Walkers should be more like cockroaches. I kinda want them to be like the ringwraiths in the first film of LOTR

It's not bad stuff, it's just not the direction I go in fantasy. I like reeeeeaaally mysterious, subtle, and creepy stuff in fantasy. GoT is becoming more like LOTR, which isn't bad, but honestly I go for Carnivale over LOTR style lore

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This was the worst ep's of the season.

[jackvance]

It's not bad stuff, it's just not the direction I go in fantasy. I like reeeeeaaally mysterious, subtle, and creepy stuff in fantasy. GoT is becoming more like LOTR, which isn't bad, but honestly I go for Carnivale over LOTR style lore

They made the purely human interactions so great that it made the overly fantasy stuff more out of place. And this is from a die hard LOTR fan. At the march of the zombies endscene I was thinking what Tyrion's next move would be.

Also:




And in remembrance of his now gone face:

[a500lbgorilla]

I loved this episode. I don't understand how 09 comes close to compare. Yes it fell into the usual trappings of driving the story at the cost of on-screen awesome but the on-screen awesome of 09 weighs so little compared to the story driven by 10.

The only thing I felt disappointing is how much of the story followed the groundwork already laid. Jon Snow, Harrenhall, everything in King's Landing, the wedding, the dragons overpowering the Qarth magicians. It seemed to me only Theon and the young lords didn't follow a, in hindsight, capable expectation.

[a500lbgorilla]

To echo, how did Winterfell get burned to the ground? Are we to assume that Greyjoy men said fuck this place before they traded Theon for themselves or were the ruthless and untrustworthy men sent on Rob Stark's behalf savages who burned the house down?

[wufwugy]

I loved this episode. I don't understand how 09 comes close to compare. Yes it fell into the usual trappings of driving the story at the cost of on-screen awesome but the on-screen awesome of 09 weighs so little compared to the story driven by 10.

The only thing I felt disappointing is how much of the story followed the groundwork already laid. Jon Snow, Harrenhall, everything in King's Landing, the wedding, the dragons overpowering the Qarth magicians. It seemed to me only Theon and the young lords didn't follow a, in hindsight, capable expectation.

It's possible this is what I didn't like about the episode. It wasn't bad, I just got a feeling, but I can't really explain

So my guess would be

- I'm upset that we got more King's Landing material. They set everything up perfectly for e09 to be the KL finale. This would have allowed for more much needed air time to present the finales of all the other plots. I'm also upset over the Tyrion story, not that it's happening this way, but that they decided to show what they did for the finale instead of just making that the first ep of the next season. I think what they did with Tyrion is an example of a bad thing to use for a season ending cliffhanger. And my hatred for Shae seems to be unmitigated. I can't actually appreciate what she does for Tyrion because I dislike her so much

- Dany and the dragons story was not what it could have been. I've thought for a while that the King of Qarth and Doppleganger storyline was just going to turn out to be nothing, and I was right. I wasn't at all enthralled by the idea that Dany could somehow suffer much in that plot because it just didn't seem like it could happen. For a brief moment, when she was chained up, I was thinking "WTF are they actually going to go really dark here", and I didn't have time to reflect on that idea actually coming to fruition before she got out of it.

- Sansa not leaving KL with Hound straight pisses me off. That could have been such an awesome story, and Hound is a truly awesome character. Now I hope that Littlefinger gets Sansa to marry him or some shit

- Stannis was pretty underwhelming. The Lord of Light is in him WTF? He sees something in the fire WTF? This is stuff you end an episode with, not a season

- The burning of Winterfell really doesn't make sense

- I seriously hated A Man's face change. Half of his greatness as a character really is the actor and the aesthetics he presents. He just looks and acts the part perfectly. I also am not interested in him not getting regular screen time. How his story has changed is actually good, but I still don't like it. For all we know, Arya won't summon A Man for another two seasons or some shit

[d0zer]

agree re: KL plot. Having devoted that entire ep to KL, they'd wrap up all the other plotlines in e10. Made perfect sense. I hope they're not just going out of their way to be unconventional and unpredictable.

Sansa is starting to drive me nuts. Ok, fine -- you don't leave with the Hound cuz of your oath to the little cunt, but to not gtfo after the joff ditched her for pancake tits mc'queerbro is just f'n retarded. you are a f'n prisoner ffs.

The Stannis scene was sweet where he nearly choked her to death, and she didn't bat an eye. Witchtits continues to be an awesome character.

[a500lbgorilla]

It's possible this is what I didn't like about the episode. It wasn't bad, I just got a feeling, but I can't really explain

So my guess would be

- I'm upset that we got more King's Landing material. They set everything up perfectly for e09 to be the KL finale. This would have allowed for more much needed air time to present the finales of all the other plots. I'm also upset over the Tyrion story, not that it's happening this way, but that they decided to show what they did for the finale instead of just making that the first ep of the next season. I think what they did with Tyrion is an example of a bad thing to use for a season ending cliffhanger. And my hatred for Shae seems to be unmitigated. I can't actually appreciate what she does for Tyrion because I dislike her so much

- Dany and the dragons story was not what it could have been. I've thought for a while that the King of Qarth and Doppleganger storyline was just going to turn out to be nothing, and I was right. I wasn't at all enthralled by the idea that Dany could somehow suffer much in that plot because it just didn't seem like it could happen. For a brief moment, when she was chained up, I was thinking "WTF are they actually going to go really dark here", and I didn't have time to reflect on that idea actually coming to fruition before she got out of it.

- Sansa not leaving KL with Hound straight pisses me off. That could have been such an awesome story, and Hound is a truly awesome character. Now I hope that Littlefinger gets Sansa to marry him or some shit

- Stannis was pretty underwhelming. The Lord of Light is in him WTF? He sees something in the fire WTF? This is stuff you end an episode with, not a season

- The burning of Winterfell really doesn't make sense

- I seriously hated A Man's face change. Half of his greatness as a character really is the actor and the aesthetics he presents. He just looks and acts the part perfectly. I also am not interested in him not getting regular screen time. How his story has changed is actually good, but I still don't like it. For all we know, Arya won't summon A Man for another two seasons or some shit

I draw a parallel from this to the complaints about Diablo 3.

When I read it, I find myself in full agreement, but I can't shake that I would have never moved there by myself.

These seem to me niggling complaints only measured against some impossible standard. Though small, each is valid. I dunno yet how they should be valued.

[a500lbgorilla]

Also, I may have edited some posts in this thread as they referenced some sort of book or, Gods forgive, books.

A mistake, I am sure, as no one here is a dirty book reader.