Game of Thrones TV Thread **HBO-Purists ONLY**

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The Greyjoy story can be told without Theon. His role is really just in him being a total cunt. I'm not sure if he has much role outside of being that total cunt, and he's already reached peak cuntiness. However, he could go more cunty, I just doubt that GRRM took him there. What I mean is that he most certainly could be written as Uber Joffrey, so to speak. Where the The Joff has been marginalized, it seems, Theon has some crazy epic desire to be respected, yet he's so damn cruel and dumb that he may only be able to get worse and worse and worse until somebody kills him

Come to think of it, I like that line, and hope they play him like that. I wanna see him betray his own family and try to get back in good with the Starks. Not that it would make any sort of sense or that it would work, but that's the sort of thing somebody like him would do

Also, he was eating fruit. 1) How the fuck do they get fruit up in the damn tundra? 2) Eating fruit could mean he's gonna die. I would HATE it if HBO did that though because it's so fucking dumb if it's a running symbol. It does work for a one off, but that's it.

Nitpick: Greyjoys could never invade the way they did. They're pirates who live on rocks and ships. Winterfell is in the middle of a damn continent, LOL at pirates even knowing horses well enough to get the job done in the time scale they did


A Man is easily my favorite character right now. I hope Arya doesn't tell him to kill Littlefinger though. It would be pretty shitty writing if LF needed to die for essentially the same reason the illiterate dude did, and I think her final kill should be saved for quite some time.


Part of me has Robb screwing the pooch big time by falling in love with that chick. Like he ends up losing the right alliance, then a specific battle, then becomes Lannister's prisoner or something


I want the Nightswatch to get fucked. Not that I don't like them, but I just can't respect anything that takes a vow of celibacy. So I hope that Snow falls in love and perhaps betrays the order. My hope is that he gets captured by the wildlings, and finds that things are different than he was taught and Benjen is still alive and had "defected". There needs to be some really deep and important mystery in the whole north of the wall stuff, and I want Snow to undergo some shifts in his belief system

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The Greyjoy story can be told without Theon. His role is really just in him being a total cunt. I'm not sure if he has much role outside of being that total cunt, and he's already reached peak cuntiness. However, he could go more cunty, I just doubt that GRRM took him there. What I mean is that he most certainly could be written as Uber Joffrey, so to speak. Where the The Joff has been marginalized, it seems, Theon has some crazy epic desire to be respected, yet he's so damn cruel and dumb that he may only be able to get worse and worse and worse until somebody kills him

Come to think of it, I like that line, and hope they play him like that. I wanna see him betray his own family and try to get back in good with the Starks. Not that it would make any sort of sense or that it would work, but that's the sort of thing somebody like him would do

Ya, I think he's just heading down a path of self destruction.

Also, he was eating fruit. 1) How the fuck do they get fruit up in the damn tundra? 2) Eating fruit could mean he's gonna die. I would HATE it if HBO did that though because it's so fucking dumb if it's a running symbol. It does work for a one off, but that's it.

1) what kind of fruit was he eating? Apples store very well. They are routinely available at farmers markets in Chicago well into the winter. 2) Ya, on one hand I like the symbolism, but on the other if it becomes that easy to predict who will die, it would be pretty lame. I don't think that's he case though, I think they strategically broke that symbolism when they had A Man eating (what I assume was) The Tickler's fruit while he was perched up on the wall.

Nitpick: Greyjoys could never invade the way they did. They're pirates who live on rocks and ships. Winterfell is in the middle of a damn continent, LOL at pirates even knowing horses well enough to get the job done in the time scale they did

I think you're wrong. What timescale are we using? From the show itself we know that a slow moving caravan of mostly young boys and a prison cart had expectations to do a 30mi march in one day. Unless we know fairly precise distances and a pretty accurate timeline, I don't think we can really say that this is unrealistic. I know TWD is off air, and you have excess nittery building up in your brain, but I think you're reaching here.

A Man is easily my favorite character right now. I hope Arya doesn't tell him to kill Littlefinger though. It would be pretty shitty writing if LF needed to die for essentially the same reason the illiterate dude did, and I think her final kill should be saved for quite some time.

Ya, A Man is a great character. I loved their scene, but I did think the A Man doppelganger was borderline cartoonish, but I'm fine with it. I don't think Arya kills LF, I'd actually assume that he is already gone from Harrenhal. I was super happy with the urgency twist that forced her to kill someone who was A) not on her list and B) not really guilty of much besides being stupid, a little mean, and in the wrong place at the wrong time. Killing the people on her list can be morally justified-- with this guy it becomes a little bit of a grey area. But even if you don't agree with that, it's still fantastic story telling to have a wrench thrown in the gears like that.

Part of me has Robb screwing the pooch big time by falling in love with that chick. Like he ends up losing the right alliance, then a specific battle, then becomes Lannister's prisoner or something

I think this could be interesting, but I don't see it happening. I think by the end of the season...

1) Tywin is dead
2) Lannisters are fucked, they lose KL
3) Tyrion has the wildfire made for and transported up to the wall before everything goes to complete shit for him and his in Kings Landing. Possibly Tyrion goes to the wall himself in exile.

The only real problem with this is how Tyrion and Jamie are handled. Less so Jamie, but still, losing both those characters would be a huge loss to the show.

I want the Nightswatch to get fucked. Not that I don't like them, but I just can't respect anything that takes a vow of celibacy. So I hope that Snow falls in love and perhaps betrays the order. My hope is that he gets captured by the wildlings, and finds that things are different than he was taught and Benjen is still alive and had "defected". There needs to be some really deep and important mystery in the whole north of the wall stuff, and I want Snow to undergo some shifts in his belief system

Ya, a twist on how we have been taught to think of the wildlings would be interesting. More than likely though I have a feeling that Snow and the girl will encounter White Walkers, and be forced to fight together to survive. Either way, there has to be some way that the girl stops being such a liability to Snow's life, because she doesn't seem to be a throw away character.

*edit: supporting the Tywin dying predictions, he is an awesome character who can't die without us getting to know him. Well, here we are, hearing him talk about his childhood and his relationship with his father... he may as well be munching on a nice juicy apple.

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1) what kind of fruit was he eating? Apples store very well. They are routinely available at farmers markets in Chicago well into the winter. 2) Ya, on one hand I like the symbolism, but on the other if it becomes that easy to predict who will die, it would be pretty lame. I don't think that's he case though, I think they strategically broke that symbolism when they had A Man eating (what I assume was) The Tickler's fruit while he was perched up on the wall.

You're probably right on both points

I think you're wrong. What timescale are we using? From the show itself we know that a slow moving caravan of mostly young boys and a prison cart had expectations to do a 30mi march in one day. Unless we know fairly precise distances and a pretty accurate timeline, I don't think we can really say that this is unrealistic. I know TWD is off air, and you have excess nittery building up in your brain, but I think you're reaching here.

LOL. Why won't Rickon just stay inside the house?!

On a more serious note, nothing about the Greyjoy story makes a whole lot of sense. I think it's a great idea, but the logistics of pirates who live by the iron price being big enough and skilled enough to be a reasonable threat to the Starks is just lol. At best, the Greyjoys would be unruly bandits that are just hard to catch, but when caught, the actual army would wipe the floor with them. I guess you *might* be able to say that they're able to support a large population on the Iron Islands due to immense fisheries, but they simply don't have the tools to engage an inland campaign. They don't even have their own horses. Even if you assume that they all somehow spend lots of time off the Iron Islands handling horses (because they most certainly can't support them on the islands), they simply can't be that effective without their own stock. So they basically raided Tully's (Tommen's? Tories?) Square on foot, won, then stole the horses of those they raided, beat up a bunch of actual land warriors with better equipment, and made the trek up to Winterfell

The Greyjoys could not be as efficient in both travel and fighting on land as non-pirates. They just couldn't. Now, that doesn't mean that this part of the story couldn't happen, weirder stuff happens, but the whole idea pirates being more than bandits is something out of fantasy. But it is a fantasy, so I guess. Ultimately, this isn't what matters. What matters is how they tell the story, not that they stick rigidly to non-fiction standards

I think this could be interesting, but I don't see it happening. I think by the end of the season...

1) Tywin is dead
2) Lannisters are fucked, they lose KL
3) Tyrion has the wildfire made for and transported up to the wall before everything goes to complete shit for him and his in Kings Landing. Possibly Tyrion goes to the wall himself in exile.

The only real problem with this is how Tyrion and Jamie are handled. Less so Jamie, but still, losing both those characters would be a huge loss to the show.

I could see that happening, but for some reason, no other party feels like the "rulers" more than the Lannisters. It would be a pretty huge shift in the story to take them out. There appears to be four main stories from the very beginning; Stark, Lannister, Dany and her dragons, and Winter is Coming/The Wall

Ya, a twist on how we have been taught to think of the wildlings would be interesting. More than likely though I have a feeling that Snow and the girl will encounter White Walkers, and be forced to fight together to survive. Either way, there has to be some way that the girl stops being such a liability to Snow's life, because she doesn't seem to be a throw away character.

I want to see some crazy stuff north of the wall. If you think my nitting on the Greyjoys is bad, my nitting on wildlings/Mance Rayder forces would be waaaaaaaaaay worse. They're basically living in eskimo territory, yet there's over a hundred thousand gathered in army? lolwut?

I feel like there needs to be some serious mysticism in the north. Things like them coming across enormous oasis-like caves with tons of hot springs and growing vegetation. I doubt they're gonna do that, and the story is *cooler* without that, but it's not realistic at all. But if they did, they could then go deeper into some serious lore of why the north is so damn important, why Walkers exist, perhaps those old "crueler" gods are really the only true gods...

Besides, I think I'm on team Mansraedar (much cooler name than that dumb Mance Rayder George Lucas ejaculate) simply because I love that wildling ginger. Is it a personal problem that I like aggressive, manipulative chicks?

*edit: supporting the Tywin dying predictions, he is an awesome character who can't die without us getting to know him. Well, here we are, hearing him talk about his childhood and his relationship with his father... he may as well be munching on a nice juicy apple.

Pretty much