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 Originally Posted by BananaStand
If you're suggesting that gender doesn't play a significant role in the determination of birthrights, then I have an equally massive eye-roll for you. If Jon were a she, I doubt very much that anyone, ever, would talk about 'her' having a claim to the throne. Compared to Dany, who has the army, and the experience, to rule, Jon-ette wouldn't even be worth a whisper. Even if Jon-ette had risen to lord commander of the Night's watch, led the free folk, defeated the night king, and become a legendary hero of Westeros....it wouldn't matter. In a contest between Jon-ette and Dany, the throne would be Dany's without a second thought. You're out of your mind if you don't think Jon's balls are tipping the scale at least a little bit. The fact that people are talking about the possibility of Jon as King....is complete proof of that.
Besides, you were the one who brought up which endings would be more or less sexist. So don't rail on me for commenting.
And my original complaint stands. Neither of these people has what I would consider a "legitimate" claim to the throne. Robert overthrew Aerys....the Targaryens are toast. Period. No Targaryen has any claim to anything until the Lannisters are overthrown. If Jon has a role in that, then he may be able to make some kind of claim. But he hasn't even hinted at contributing at all.
So explain to me.....what would be the basis of Jon's claim to the Iron Throne?
As far as I can tell, the only thing differentiating Jon's claim from Gendry's is a barely believable and intelligence-insulting annulment. And it only connects him to the guy who LOST the war. Gendry has the blood of the winners.
We can debate which of those two should be higher on the list, but it's really moot because neither of them would have a shred of a prayer to contest Dany if she happens to overthrow Cersei.
Look man, here's what I'm saying: All the show needs to do is have Dany overthrow Cersei, have Jon defeat the Night King, and the end. Somewhere along the way I expect Jamie will die defending Cersei somehow. I expect Tyrion to kill Cersei. I expect Arya to kill Little Finger. And the Cleganes need to fight each other. Then Dany assumes the Iron Throne, Jon is warden of the expanded North. And finally, two of the dragons need to fuck then lay eggs. End of show.
This whole "Jon might be king" tangent is annoying. It's doubly annoying since it's supported by such absurd and non-sensical logic, at the center of which, is an annulment that can't possibly be believed.
You're using the annulment as a lynch pin that it is not. You're doing this because you find it distasteful that the story might go in a direction that doesn't serve your ideas about fairness.
In the same way that any ending in which Dany is not the supreme leader of Westeros bothers you, I'm skeptical of any ending that's essentially "lolallweneededwasawoman!"not being absolutely one dimensional and ill fitting for this show. I could be wrong, and I could find a Dany-wins-it-all ending satisfying, but it seems all too straight forward. Again, themes of unfulfilled prophecy, destiny detoured, and so on have been packed into this series.
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