Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
The UK is a sovereign nation and has been for a long time. The EU is not and will probably and hopefully never be one.



I find it astonishing you can't draw your own distinctions. The UK didn't happen because a a bunch of people happened to decide it would be a good idea for the nations of the UK to cooperate economically while each nation maintained their sovereignty. The UK then didn't go on to slowly erode that sovereignty while pretending not to. England simply conquered the other nations. It could so easily have been the other way round. Or I could easily be Welsh who opposes the EU.

In fact, how does that change the argument? Let's pretend I'm Welsh and want to leave the EU, but not the UK. What do you say to me now?
I do have my own distinctions, but I'm on the fence as to whether or not they amount to a meaningful sum.

Status Quoism is not a convincing argument. Whether or not the UK being the UK is good does not hinge on whether it currently is.

As for the process by which the UK became the UK and by which the EUSS has become/could become the EUSS, well, the latter sounds far more attractive than the former. Deciding to first casually date, then become exclusive, then live together, all before getting married seems reasonable. When you first started dating, you may not have been looking for marriage, and part of you may worry you're not quite ready, but it definitely seems like a better process than being clubbed over the head and coming to in the midst of your marriage being consummated.