**** Elections thread *****

[wufwugy]

I don't get why you're a fan or you would want him to win.

So far, it sounds like he is somebody who is not interested in screwing people over like politicians are doing (with few exceptions). It seems there is credibility to this idea given that he is not a politician who does politics for self-benefit and special interests appeasement.

Trump hasn't really done all that much that you can get behind either if you drop the 20 or so levels of thinking that you have to use to imply he has.

Really? I'm a big fan of a lot he has done.

Especially if you compare that to what other people you actually like may have been doing.

I doubt somebody like Cruz or Paul would have more success at stopping the GOPe from doing their best to sabotage the president. They may or may not do better than Trump regarding the things outside of that. Doing so would be extremely hard since Trump has done a ton.

[Savy]

So far, it sounds like he is somebody who is not interested in screwing people over like politicians are doing (with few exceptions). It seems there is credibility to this idea given that he is not a politician who does politics for self-benefit and special interests appeasement.

This isn't valid for you it's valid for idiots who don't pay attention. If you think that is enough to make a difference in the vote, fair, realise you don't come across the better for it even if that is your point. If you wanted to make that point clearer as some sort of prediction then you may come across as some sort of knowledge but the %s aren't on for that to be solid imo.

[wufwugy]

This isn't valid for you it's valid for idiots who don't pay attention. If you think that is enough to make a difference in the vote, fair, realise you don't come across the better for it even if that is your point. If you wanted to make that point clearer as some sort of prediction then you may come across as some sort of knowledge but the %s aren't on for that to be solid imo.

Nobody has much of anything to go on regarding Kid Rock. I'm interested in him partly for the reason I laid out. It's a reason that should not be taken lightly.

[Savy]

Nobody has much of anything to go on regarding Kid Rock. I'm interested in him partly for the reason I laid out. It's a reason that should not be taken lightly.

So you'd be excited in the same way for anyone who had nothing to go off? Or just those with all the negative shit he has to go off.

It's probably important to realise that for all the shit Trump has thrown at him (however real) isn't anything compared to someone like Rock.

[wufwugy]

So you'd be excited in the same way for anyone who had nothing to go off? Or just those with all the negative shit he has to go off.

I'd trust the average plumber who has run his own business for 20 years to do a better job as President than the average politician. They are among the people who produce the most in an economy and they do so on merit, problem solving, and hard work. They are also the front line regarding taking the brunt of the negative force of government while also experiencing the positive force of restrained government. Politicians, academics, bureaucrats, even lots of different types of laborers, don't have this to the same degree.

[Savy]

Yes. I'd trust the average plumber who has run his own business for 20 years to do a better job as President than the average politician. They are among the people who produce the most in an economy and they do so on merit, problem solving, and hard work. They are also the front line regarding taking the brunt of the negative force of government while also experiencing the positive force of restrained government. Politicians, academics, bureaucrats, even lots of different types of laborers, don't have this to the same degree.

This wasn't what I meant but it's also rubbish. Just at a very basic level the average good plumber isn't necessarily good at managing a plumbing company. They aren't even really the same skill set.

[Savy]

Really? I'm a big fan of a lot he has done.

I doubt somebody like Cruz or Paul would have more success at stopping the GOPe from doing their best to sabotage the president. They may or may not do better than Trump regarding the things outside of that. Doing so would be extremely hard since Trump has done a ton.

I know you think you are but it's only on levels that don't happen but we aren't going anywhere on this.

I suppose it's hard to take the line that the GOP control everything but therefore Trump can do anything. Makes very little sense. If they could they'd have stopped Trump.

[wufwugy]

I know you think you are but it's only on levels that don't happen but we aren't going anywhere on this.

Levels of what don't happen? I'm not referring to any of the 3d chess stuff.

I suppose it's hard to take the line that the GOP control everything but therefore Trump can do anything. Makes very little sense. If they could they'd have stopped Trump.

It doesn't have to be one or the other. It can be that they tried to stop him and failed regarding the presidency and are trying to stop him with some level of success regarding legislation.

[Savy]

Levels of what don't happen? I'm not referring to any of the 3d chess stuff.



It doesn't have to be one or the other. It can be that they tried to stop him and failed regarding the presidency and are trying to stop him with some level of success regarding legislation.

Yeah I as I said it's one of those you don't think you are but you are. He things this therefore she thinks that therefore etc etc. It's like old poker thinking. It works on level one & two but anything else is just crap.

So the same would be true of any politician in the same situation? Trump is a complete lap dog why would he damage loads of the (by definition) most imporartant people in the world for his own political thoughts. Even if he can convince 10,000 average people for every one rich person that he's good that doesn't replace people on his golf course or his other projects that reuire the rich.