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    I don't think the fact that these are the secret thoughts of men, or that similar stuff is common place when men are with other men is a plus for Trump. Everyone can know this, but no woman wants to think this about this brother, father, son, friend, coworker, etc. And men know this. So while it may be true that this is standard, that doesn't make it easy for a man to look his daughter in the eyes and say, "yeah, I know he said all that stuff, but I still support him, because, well, I think and say that stuff too."

    The dynamic at play is not simply "is it morally reprehensible to say and think such things?"

    Edit: Just actually listened to the full audio. It really is pretty tame. The "grab them by the pussy" being literal is a pretty awful inference. He was crass in a private conversation, but the gist of it was "Fame and wealth make getting women easier, and, being a wealthy famous person, I love it." But again, if I had a daughter, I'd find it hard to say this to her. Not saying I wouldn't try-- I really don't know as I'm nowhere near that position, but I'm sure a ton of men will at best sorta passively distance themselves from this sort of stuff with something like, "yeah, I've heard that sort of thing in the locker room-- guys really are dogs."

    Also, I think his apology was strong. If he can stay on script like this for more than a few minutes, he could crush.
    Last edited by boost; 10-08-2016 at 02:24 PM.

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