Quote Originally Posted by banana
If you want to be the kind of guy who thinks that working "isn't worth the effort", and that Sam Walton owes you a living, well then Europe is definitely the place for you.
Or, to put that another way... fuck off and be someone else's problem.

I agree with you when you point out he's moaning, I mean yeah if you choose to remove yourself from the workforce, then you choose a life of relative poverty. I made that choice, and you won't hear me complaining about having fuck all.

However, your solution for him to go to Europe, this is absurd. Why does Europe owe him anything? He wasn't even born there, he's American (whether you like it or not). We can argue about whether the state owes a living to those who reject the system all day long. It is my belief that if you value security and low crime, and an efficient economy, then you should value social security, which stops morons from robbing people to survive, and also keeps those same morons out of the work force where they might be less productive than their salary is worth.

The idea that people should just "get a fucking job" is ignorant to the fact that not everyone is cut out for the ruthless capitalist world in which we're shat out, and it's ignorant to the negative impact that forcing people into work can have on a business. I'd rather employ people who want to be employed by my company, people who want to work. I wouldn't want to employ someone who can't be arsed, I'd sooner my tax dollars chip in towards keeping the fucker idle. Or, someone else can employ him... the old "not my problem" attitude which you seem so fond of.