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[OngBonga]

I would also argue that previous Prime Ministers have made acts that are indicative of obedience, such as Blair joining Bush in Iraq. Of course, it can be seen as an act of solidarity, too. How do you think Bush perceived it?

[wufwugy]

I would also argue that previous Prime Ministers have made acts that are indicative of obedience, such as Blair joining Bush in Iraq. Of course, it can be seen as an act of solidarity, too. How do you think Bush perceived it?

I didn't pay attention to politics back then, so I can't say.

What I can say is that Americans like Britain. It's where we get most of our values and we have common history and ancestry. We definitely view deals with the UK more in terms of joint cooperation that benefit both countries. Contrast this to France, and the response from Americans would be mixed. If Hollande did something after Trump asked for it, a decent proportion of Americans might say Hollande did that because he's Trump's bitch. But we wouldn't do that with the PM of Britain.

[Poopadoop]

I would also argue that previous Prime Ministers have made acts that are indicative of obedience, such as Blair joining Bush in Iraq. Of course, it can be seen as an act of solidarity, too. How do you think Bush perceived it?

Bush probably viewed it as an act of friendship. The British public certainly viewed it as obedience (you might recall the phrase 'Bush's poodle'). I don't expect history to have Blair listed among the great British PMs.

In my view, respect is worth more than friendship. If you just follow your ally blindly into any foreign morass, you're kind of an idiot imo. A lot of America's allies didn't joint them in Iraq in 2003 and didn't suffer from it in the long run. Even Americans now believe it was a bullshit war.

[wufwugy]

Bush probably viewed it as an act of friendship. The British public certainly viewed it as obedience (you might recall the phrase 'Bush's poodle').

This is probably mostly due to Bush not being viewed well.

[Poopadoop]

This is probably mostly due to Bush not being viewed well.

You're putting the cart before the horse. A lot of that perception was due to Iraq 2003.

[OngBonga]

You're putting the cart before the horse. A lot of that perception was due to Iraq 2003.

Nah, 9/11 fucked the last of his credibility. Iraq just made sure he'd go down in history as a war criminal.

[Poopadoop]

Nah, 9/11 fucked the last of his credibility. Iraq just made sure he'd go down in history as a war criminal.

Not in 2003. 9/11 was largely still being taken at face value as a terrorist attack then.