Socialism is not communism, dumbo. Finnland, Germany, Denmark and the UK are socialist countries and socialism and capitalism are not polar opposites.
11-08-2018 02:51 AM
#7651
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Socialism is not communism, dumbo. Finnland, Germany, Denmark and the UK are socialist countries and socialism and capitalism are not polar opposites. | |
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11-08-2018 03:06 AM
#7652
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Socialism is not communism, no. But socialism is the workers owning the means of production. It's between communism and capitalism. | |
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11-08-2018 03:14 AM
#7653
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I mean I'm reading up on this, and it seems the modern idea of "socialism" in the context of nations like Finland, is basically capitalism with a healthy does of equality and welfare. | |
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11-08-2018 03:17 AM
#7654
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Owned or regulated. You know like government regulations on businesses and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...United_Kingdom | |
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11-08-2018 03:19 AM
#7655
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Regulated? So every nation on earth is socialist? Gotcha. | |
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11-08-2018 03:24 AM
#7656
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Obviously not a single country in the world is either 0% or 100% socialist, there's always some private businesses and government owned entities in each. It's about nomenclature that best describes the situation. | |
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11-08-2018 03:42 AM
#7657
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"regulated by the community" | |
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11-08-2018 05:13 AM
#7658
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In democratic states yes, as opposed to dictatorships/monarchies. Of the people, by the people, for the people. | |
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11-08-2018 05:33 AM
#7659
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11-08-2018 06:33 AM
#7660
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11-08-2018 08:04 AM
#7661
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^^Well my personal view is that both socialism and capitalism have their pros and cons, we should use what works best and not get stuck on ideologies and labels. Regarding schools, a good solution to what you described is tuition free public education. Everyone still needs to compete, you need to be smart to get in, but your background and wealth should not affect it in any way. | |
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11-08-2018 08:05 AM
#7662
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Or, they're just getting 'enhanced' facts. | |
11-08-2018 08:11 AM
#7663
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We have free public education, certainly at high school level. The difference being, of course, is these schools don't perform nearly as well as elite schools. Is that a problem? It is if you want your kid to go to an elite school but you can't afford it. | |
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11-08-2018 12:29 PM
#7664
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Economic systems do not exist in isolation of each other. They coexist and interact. | |
11-08-2018 12:47 PM
#7665
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Haha, this is brilliant. | |
11-09-2018 02:24 AM
#7666
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They got distracted by Jim Acosta raping and murdering a woman on live TV. | |
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03-04-2019 10:58 AM
#7667
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It seems to be that time of the year again | |
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03-04-2019 11:00 AM
#7668
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03-04-2019 11:54 AM
#7669
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It's pretty good, but the, "your background and wealth should not affect it in any way." is misleading. | |
03-04-2019 02:36 PM
#7670
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Last edited by oskar; 03-04-2019 at 02:38 PM.
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03-04-2019 02:37 PM
#7671
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03-04-2019 03:16 PM
#7672
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You can in principle, in terms of what the state spends. I think he was referring (in an oblique way) to the fact that some kids will always be at an advantage because of their parents' income. | |
03-04-2019 03:25 PM
#7673
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Private schools shouldn't exist? So education should be limited to what the state can provide? What if the state doesn't pay competitive wages and the best teachers decide to go abroad to work where they can work privately? What about private Islamic schools? Should the state provide schools exclusively for Muslims? | |
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03-04-2019 03:31 PM
#7674
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03-04-2019 03:46 PM
#7675
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... when it comes to public schools. No I don't think everyone should have the same temperature bath water. Are you completely incapable of having an honest argument? | |
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03-04-2019 03:52 PM
#7676
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I've already covered islamic schools when I said private schools shouldn't exist. Obviously islamic schools should not exist. And yes, everyone should be "limited to what the state can provide" quite simply because if the public school system is so bad that private schools are needed, then you should increase funding for public schools. | |
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03-04-2019 04:31 PM
#7677
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03-04-2019 04:44 PM
#7678
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I mean, this is about capitalism in a sector it has no business being. I'd prefer it if the state could provide a world class education for everyone free of charge, but it's too much of a burden to the taxpayer, and it removes a key incentive to be successful in the first place... to create a better life for you and your family. | |
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03-04-2019 04:52 PM
#7679
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03-04-2019 04:55 PM
#7680
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My point has been helped along by others, but I should answer. | |
03-04-2019 05:02 PM
#7681
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03-04-2019 05:03 PM
#7682
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If you're offered two jobs doing the same thing but one pays more than the other, you obviously take the higher paid job. Maybe there's circumstances that play a role, but how much of a role almost always has a value. Like... £2k a year more to work private? Nah, £10k a year more? Go on then. | |
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03-04-2019 05:12 PM
#7683
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I'm trying to get your point, but I'm failing. I mean, are you arguing that it's not the parent's job to create the better life? That it's the job of the state? | |
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03-04-2019 05:28 PM
#7684
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03-04-2019 06:21 PM
#7685
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Well they do need to be incentivised. I guess the point you're making is the motivation comes naturally, which of course is correct. But there still needs to be a reward. That hard work has got to be for a reason. If the state is telling you that no matter how hard you work, you can't use your wealth to give your kids an advantage, then what is the role of the parent? | |
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03-04-2019 06:29 PM
#7686
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The real problem with the left is that they can't tolerate good fortune. | |
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03-04-2019 07:14 PM
#7687
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03-04-2019 07:14 PM
#7688
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Last edited by Jack Sawyer; 03-04-2019 at 07:25 PM.
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03-04-2019 07:18 PM
#7689
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Also, this virulent crap | |
Last edited by Jack Sawyer; 03-04-2019 at 07:25 PM.
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03-04-2019 07:19 PM
#7690
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The real problem with the right is they have no empathy for anyone whose fortune is worse than theirs. And even for some whose fortune is better. | |
03-04-2019 07:37 PM
#7691
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03-04-2019 07:42 PM
#7692
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03-04-2019 07:44 PM
#7693
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03-04-2019 07:47 PM
#7694
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Finland says otherwise. Or is Finland an impossible country? | |
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03-04-2019 07:49 PM
#7695
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There's obviously a difference, but not much of one. If private education is better than state education, and the law requires you to send your child to state education, then our children are dumber. Private education is naturally going to be better because it is better funded than state education could ever be. If wealthy people are willing to spend £100k+ a year, how the fuck is the taxpayer going to afford that for every child in the country? | |
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03-04-2019 07:52 PM
#7696
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Word salad time! | |
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03-04-2019 07:55 PM
#7697
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03-04-2019 07:57 PM
#7698
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03-04-2019 08:01 PM
#7699
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So you do kind of sort of agree. A tutor ≠ a school. I would have preferred if you simply agreed, as, you know, it's fact | |
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03-04-2019 08:04 PM
#7700
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03-04-2019 08:10 PM
#7701
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03-04-2019 08:11 PM
#7702
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03-04-2019 08:15 PM
#7703
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03-04-2019 08:18 PM
#7704
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03-04-2019 08:34 PM
#7705
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Two's company, three's a crowd right? What about ten? what about a hundred? You would need a private tutor for every subject also. | |
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03-04-2019 08:35 PM
#7706
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03-04-2019 08:37 PM
#7707
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03-05-2019 01:59 AM
#7708
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Ong, you're talking against equality of outcome, I was talking about equality of opportunity. Sure, being poor will probably always be a handicap, but public education should be sufficient enough to remove the need for private schools. I'm sure there will be niches to be filled, such as Steiner schools in Finland for emotionally unstable artsy fartsy parents. I have nothing against private schools, but they shouldn't be mandatory for a successful career. | |
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03-05-2019 04:07 AM
#7709
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03-05-2019 04:08 AM
#7710
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03-05-2019 04:23 AM
#7711
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No, that's missing the point to accuse me of being prejudiced. Religious schools indoctrinate their students with too much focus on religious studies and not enough focus on academic studies. Private schools are not burdened with this. | |
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03-05-2019 05:43 AM
#7712
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03-05-2019 05:55 AM
#7713
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It is free for the kid. Adults pay it in the form of taxes. | |
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03-05-2019 06:13 AM
#7714
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So, there do not exist any private religious schools? | |
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03-05-2019 07:21 AM
#7715
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03-05-2019 09:55 AM
#7716
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Mmm, banana style bit by bit rebuttal, haven't seen one of these in awhile | |
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03-05-2019 09:58 AM
#7717
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03-05-2019 11:32 AM
#7718
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03-05-2019 12:19 PM
#7719
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03-05-2019 12:31 PM
#7720
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This would be a fantastic argument if we had Christian immigrants attempting to impose themselves on a non Christian society. | |
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03-05-2019 12:51 PM
#7721
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03-05-2019 12:53 PM
#7722
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03-05-2019 12:54 PM
#7723
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You OK, ong? | |
03-05-2019 02:27 PM
#7724
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03-05-2019 02:27 PM
#7725
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I'll be happy to hand the school stuff off to Jack. I typed up a reply, then I realized everything I was going to say was already covered. | |
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