Did Bush Knock Down the Towers?

[BooG690]

YouTube - Bush Knocked down the Twin Towers (911) - Immortal Technique Mos DEF - This thread's title song.

YouTube - 911 Loose Change (full-length) - The real discussion would stem from here.

Discuss.

[Hawk]

no

[boost]

I used to believe these conspiracy theories. I don't just brush them aside as utter nonsense, but I am pretty skeptical of them.

Btw, Immortal Technique is dope.

[Micro2Macro]

jesus christ im 5 min into the second vid

where did all this so called evidence come from and how legit accurate could it be?

[BooG690]

I'm surprised you haven't watched this video already...it's been out for a while. I'm sure wufwugy can tell us.

And yeah, Immortal Technique is sick. Here's a great interview with him in case you care: YouTube - Immortal Technique on Obama, 9/11 truth & Corporate America

[Micro2Macro]

well ive heard people talk about all this but haven't been pointed to a video on it. going to watch the whole thing and then report back here on where I stand regarding all this.

would appreciate some other sources also that cover the same thing so feel free to post more links. also perhaps some rebuttals against the theory the gov is repsonsible would be cool to get both views covered.

[BooG690]

The editors of Popular Mechanics put out a book debunking the myths I linked you to: Amazon.com: Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts (9781588166357): The Editors of Popular Mechanics, David Dunbar, Brad Reagan, John McCain: Books

Here is a debate between the creator of that video and somebody who works with Popular Mechanics: Democracy Now - Loose Change vs. Popular Mechanics

Actually, watch this video instead of the second one in this post, it is the actual debate: YouTube - 9/11 Debate: Loose Change vs. Popular Mechanics pt. 1

[kiwiMark]

wtf boog take some responsibility for your actions damnit

[BooG690]

Oh, and one last thing M. Loose Change has been made into an actual movie which adds some extra stuff. It's available on Netflix (now that you guys in Canada have it!). I suggest you watch it if you become interested in this stuff.

Amazon.com: Loose Change 9/11: An American Coup: Daniel Sunjata, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Richard Gage, Michelle Little, Michael Hess, Stephen Jones, Norman Mineta, Dylan Avery: Movies & TV

[BooG690]

I used to believe these conspiracy theories. I don't just brush them aside as utter nonsense, but I am pretty skeptical of them.

Btw, Immortal Technique is dope.

Also, I don't really like to 100% believe anything. It's hard for me to believe the theory that the government did it, but it's also hard for me to believe the government's story.

What Loose Change did was point out that we cannot believe the government's story...and I think it's right in saying that.

[surviva316]

who wants to start a pool on how long it takes before Boog's zeitgeist-believing muslim ass starts getting patriot acted?!

[BooG690]

LOL starts getting Patriot-acted? I've been Patriot Acted.

[Micro2Macro]

Damn just finished watching the whole vid. Will be moving on to the next one now. This guys stuff is pretty convincing, especially given how fucked up the us gov is to begin with. I'll be moving on to the next material you posted and probably going to order some books.

[boost]

after watching a few minutes of the "debate" I have decided that I believe nothing that the Loose Changes guys have to say.

There are some weird things, like the videos not being released, but the Loose Change guys present their side like a Tea Bagger or Creationist would in a "debate." Several times they used personal attacks and made accusations about their credibility but never backed it up.

[boost]

What Loose Change did was point out that we cannot believe the government's story...and I it's right in saying that.

I think a bi-product of their conspiracy theory campaign was to have more people question the official story. But they deserve no credit as they are just waving their hands and screaming, but never looking for the actual truth. Doesn't it seem way more likely that some forces in the gov't conspired to allow it to happen? This theory of a select few key individuals turning a blind eye to what was coming is way more plausible, yet they never even mention it because its way easier to just point their finger at the big bad government.

[spoonitnow]

who wants to start a pool on how long it takes before Boog's zeitgeist-believing muslim ass starts getting patriot acted?!

+1

[Luco]

The problem with 911 conspiracy theories is that so many nutjobs (including mr Loose Change himself, Dylan Avery) jump to these wild conclusions when presenting the inaccuracies of that day.

Anyone remember 'in plane sight'? That was a sharp poke in the eye for every legitimate doubter and their message. Look at the flashpod, lolmissiles etc.

My advice to all would be to take a good long look at both sides of the argument and try to be open. www.debunking911.com and www.911proof.com are both good quality arguments for each side (as in, they have less glaring flaws than some of their sibling sites), but there's a lot more material out there for those who search for it.

I've read more on 9/11 than anyone I know. My personal conclusion is that the official account is utter bullshit, but beyond that I'm hesitant to guess.

[baudib]

apply Occam's Razor imo

[CoccoBill]

The government was warned beforehand of the attacks by the CIA and countless other foreign security agencies, but they chose to let it happen to protect their relationship with their oil source, the Saudi royal family, who Bin Laden happens to be a member of. You heard it here first.

[Micro2Macro]

Boog I watched the second video you linked and went through all the clips of those guys debating.

still unsure of where I stand on this, will have to check out luco's links before runnin my mouth on this subject :P

[Ash256]

9/11 Conspiracies - Introduction - Conspiracy Science - Conspiracies and Myths Refuted, Debunked, and Explained

Such an awesome site if you're into conspiracy or even remotely on the fence

[BennyLaRue]

Your Booger craziness was already addressed by FTR here:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...tt-174387.html

[BooG690]

I KNEW there was a damn thread on this. My Search Fu failed.

[Luco]

yeah but

1/ Charlie Sheen is batshit crazy on drugs

2/ The OP of that other thread is a fucking douche

[UG]

I've read more on 9/11 than anyone I know. My personal conclusion is that the official account is utter bullshit, but beyond that I'm hesitant to guess.

This...

[kingnat]

How can people be so compelled by such appalling utter bullshit as this...

... it's so fucking depressing...

[drmcboy]

back... and to the left

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back... and to the left

[spoonitnow]

I've read more on 9/11 than anyone I know. My personal conclusion is that the official account is utter bullshit, but beyond that I'm hesitant to guess.

+1

[mcatdog]

Not this again...

As crazy as the people are who believe in the controlled demolition theory, at least they're making arguments based on facts, albeit wrong or misleading ones, that can be proven wrong with evidence and science. The people who say they're sure the official story of al Qaeda terrorists hijacking planes and crashing them into buildings is wrong, but beyond that they don't know what happened, are even worse. They aren't even attempting to discover the truth, they just know that the government is lying, despite not having any facts to prove it or any alternative explanations. boost's comparison to creationists and the Tea Party was accurate.

[d0zer]

lee harvey oswald was a patsy, sheeple -- open your eyes!

[spoonitnow]

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[Micro2Macro]

after reading a ton about this i dunno what to think other than it seems likely the us gov was capable of preventing this from happening (at least to some degree?) and that's sort of why they seem to be covering up so much info.....to sort of cover their ass for letting it all happen.

i could be way off idk. theres alot of things that are fishy about this but at the same time the conspiracy theories are fishy themselves. meh. wtf is the deal with the pentagon thing?

[bode]

How can people be so compelled by such appalling utter bullshit as this...

... it's so fucking depressing...

.

[baudib]

mcat wins this thread

[oskar]

How can people be so compelled by such appalling utter bullshit as this...

... it's so fucking depressing...

If you're talking about the 9/11 truther videos... my thoughts exactly. I don't know much, but I am entirely certain that these kids are FOS.

I just skimmed through the video, and it's just painful to watch. They take eye witness reports from the day of the attack and present them as facts, ask a ton of suggestive questions but never attempt to give answers, because in the back of their mind they know how ludicrous it would sound.

NONONO what they did was LISTEN... listen... they hijacked the plane, flew it to antartica, shot the passanges, burried the plane in the ice, launched a missile INTO the pentagon, scattered plane debris all around, bent some street lamps... NO NOBODY SAW THAT. And if they did they'd be too afraid to tell.

cmon